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When I was in my twenties, I realized it was easier to get laid by being an asshole, so I did just that. After a while, it hit me: this strategy made me deeply

When I was in my twenties, I realized it was easier to get laid by being an asshole, so I did just that. After a while, it hit me: this strategy made me deeply unhappy. With time I observed a lot my mental process, mood and behavior, and I noticed that things like being rude, cheating, being selfish, etc. while paying off on the short run, were affecting my long time happiness. Apparently I was not made for that. Lying, is one of those things. I can lie. I'm actually a very good lier, and a decent actor. But I keep it in check, doing it mostly because humans tolerate badly total honesty, or sometime because I'm weak. Otherwise I avoid it, not for moral reason, be because somehow, I find it strongly unsatisfying. It's not even a judgemental voice in my head stating that it's wrong. It just feels like writting with the left hand with a boxing glove: I can do it with training but it's just not the experience I wish for. I met many people sharing the same experience, but I can't say everybody feels like this. However, it seems a damn good reason to be honest, even when it doesn't pay.

ponderatul 8y ago
I am in my twenties. I feel the same, just not sure about the negative effects on longterm happiness. I'm sure there's a balance there to be attained. But knowing you are capable of lying, being a jerk, cheating and what that gives you, is very powerful. In general I think there's a lot to learn from bad people. Which is an idea lot of people dismiss.
- duedl0r 8y ago
  That's a pretty stupid way of living. But hey, don't mind me, I'm old.. There is no balance to be attained in being a jerk/cheater or whatever. It's like saying: I have the option of breathing or not breathing, so let's get a good balance. No! If you want to learn from bad people: Do it, but use it for good. For example in identifying people who are bad, or want to take advantage of you/others. But certainly not to get a balance. And btw, I always hope, people with questionable opinions get screwed by someone with the same questionable view. Let's hope you'll learn your lesson.
  - sametmax 8y ago
    Actually I tried the other way around: never being a jerk, never lie or cheat. But I couldn't manage: people take advantage of you and you get frustrated. Now, building strengh, characters, and participating to alternatives to the status quo are better long term strategies. But on the short term, always playing by the rules is a serious disadvantages in some environments.
    - minkzilla 8y ago
      How are did people take advantage of you that could only be prevented by being a jerk/liar/cheater ?
      - sametmax 8y ago
        Usually people in harsh environnements. If you have to play monopoly, and somebody cheats, you have 4 choices: - loose. It's not a game you can win by skill - stop playing. It may very well be a terrible option for you. - call for authority. Unfortunatly this is one of the least effective strategy IRL. - level the playing field. Not great, but the least of evils until you get yourself into a better situation such as playing another game, have friends to help you, etc.
        iknownothing522 8y ago
        Who cares who wins game, you learned you have a bad choice in friends, change that. When this happens to me i laugh and engoy the game, then i dont play with the cheat anymore.
    - duedl0r 8y ago
      It's ok to build strength and character, but that doesn't mean you have to be jerk or a liar at the same time. IMO if you have to lie or be a jerk, it's the opposite of a strong character. Your argument started with "it's easier to get laid, if I'm a jerk". And now your argument is "it pays to be a jerk in harsh environments". First of all, I hope women aren't included in your harsh environment. Second, you're right. Absolute commitments without exceptions is rarely good advice. There are always exceptions. My criticism is about finding a balance of being a jerk. There is no balance to be attained. There might be exceptions, but not something to balance for. I'm aware that I feel very strongly about it. That's why I couldn't hold myself back from writing a comment. For me this is very important, because I get the feeling, that humanity is drifting towards dishonesty. It's even expected to be lied at. For example, my co-workers lie to our customers if we missed something or implemented a bug in our software. It's not an option anymore to say to them straight, that we made an error! How stupid is that? The customers wants to be lied at! On the other hand, if they did something they're not supposed to do with our software, they lie about what they really did. This gets me so angry... Sorry, I'm going to stop now.. :)
- gdubs 8y ago
  Did my share of selfish things in my twenties and with the hindsight of another decade: true power is found looking inward. It’s the power you gain over yourself by finding calm and focus. Not the power you hold over others, which is transient and ultimately illusory.
- smallgovt 8y ago
  Yes, it makes you more powerful, but is power what you want to value most in life? If not, what does your value heirarchy look like, and how does lying/being a jerk affect your ability to achieve your highest values?
WhompingWindows 8y ago
I can't think of a single lie that is actually worth it. To people who believe in some amount of lying: what lie is actually worth it? Is it truly worth it telling your spouse their outfit looks good when you think it looks awful? Is it truly worth it telling people you're having a great day when you're not? Is it worth it to lie about a product to make more sales, or lie about your own skills to get a job? IMO, all lies are not worth it. Feel free to shoot counter examples at me!

ponderatul 8y ago

I am in my twenties. I feel the same, just not sure about the negative effects on longterm happiness. I'm sure there's a balance there to be attained. But knowing you are capable of lying, being a jerk, cheating and what that gives you, is very powerful. In general I think there's a lot to learn from bad people. Which is an idea lot of people dismiss.

duedl0r 8y ago
That's a pretty stupid way of living. But hey, don't mind me, I'm old.. There is no balance to be attained in being a jerk/cheater or whatever. It's like saying: I have the option of breathing or not breathing, so let's get a good balance. No! If you want to learn from bad people: Do it, but use it for good. For example in identifying people who are bad, or want to take advantage of you/others. But certainly not to get a balance. And btw, I always hope, people with questionable opinions get screwed by someone with the same questionable view. Let's hope you'll learn your lesson.
- sametmax 8y ago
  Actually I tried the other way around: never being a jerk, never lie or cheat. But I couldn't manage: people take advantage of you and you get frustrated. Now, building strengh, characters, and participating to alternatives to the status quo are better long term strategies. But on the short term, always playing by the rules is a serious disadvantages in some environments.
  - minkzilla 8y ago
    How are did people take advantage of you that could only be prevented by being a jerk/liar/cheater ?
    - sametmax 8y ago
      Usually people in harsh environnements. If you have to play monopoly, and somebody cheats, you have 4 choices: - loose. It's not a game you can win by skill - stop playing. It may very well be a terrible option for you. - call for authority. Unfortunatly this is one of the least effective strategy IRL. - level the playing field. Not great, but the least of evils until you get yourself into a better situation such as playing another game, have friends to help you, etc.
      - iknownothing522 8y ago
        Who cares who wins game, you learned you have a bad choice in friends, change that. When this happens to me i laugh and engoy the game, then i dont play with the cheat anymore.
  - duedl0r 8y ago
    It's ok to build strength and character, but that doesn't mean you have to be jerk or a liar at the same time. IMO if you have to lie or be a jerk, it's the opposite of a strong character. Your argument started with "it's easier to get laid, if I'm a jerk". And now your argument is "it pays to be a jerk in harsh environments". First of all, I hope women aren't included in your harsh environment. Second, you're right. Absolute commitments without exceptions is rarely good advice. There are always exceptions. My criticism is about finding a balance of being a jerk. There is no balance to be attained. There might be exceptions, but not something to balance for. I'm aware that I feel very strongly about it. That's why I couldn't hold myself back from writing a comment. For me this is very important, because I get the feeling, that humanity is drifting towards dishonesty. It's even expected to be lied at. For example, my co-workers lie to our customers if we missed something or implemented a bug in our software. It's not an option anymore to say to them straight, that we made an error! How stupid is that? The customers wants to be lied at! On the other hand, if they did something they're not supposed to do with our software, they lie about what they really did. This gets me so angry... Sorry, I'm going to stop now.. :)
gdubs 8y ago
Did my share of selfish things in my twenties and with the hindsight of another decade: true power is found looking inward. It’s the power you gain over yourself by finding calm and focus. Not the power you hold over others, which is transient and ultimately illusory.
smallgovt 8y ago
Yes, it makes you more powerful, but is power what you want to value most in life? If not, what does your value heirarchy look like, and how does lying/being a jerk affect your ability to achieve your highest values?

WhompingWindows 8y ago

I can't think of a single lie that is actually worth it. To people who believe in some amount of lying: what lie is actually worth it? Is it truly worth it telling your spouse their outfit looks good when you think it looks awful? Is it truly worth it telling people you're having a great day when you're not? Is it worth it to lie about a product to make more sales, or lie about your own skills to get a job? IMO, all lies are not worth it. Feel free to shoot counter examples at me!