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I don't preach as much as mostly take light jabs. "Oh, so what's new on Myspace? I am so hip to all this interwebs stuff", that sort of thing. They just give me

I don't preach as much as mostly take light jabs. "Oh, so what's new on Myspace? I am so hip to all this interwebs stuff", that sort of thing. They just give me a confused grin... I mean, what are they gonna do, unfriend me on a platform I'm not on? :P And I also had a few conversations about this topic, with smartphone users, and they were rather pleasant. It's difficult on the web, then it easily can sound arrogant. But in person, I haven't met a single person I liked, and who liked me, that had a problem with me not having a smartphone... and sometimes talking about how an information age would be neat, rather than a mobile serfdom age. Maybe me and a person who totally "identifies with" their smartphone wouldn't like each other to begin with, but at any rate it never was a problem for me, not even with bosses. Sure, I also don't inspire anyone to give up their smartphone, but in a live-and-let-live sort of way, I don't feel a need to hide my opinion, at all, as long as I keep it somewhat light.

PavlovsCat 8y ago
Fine, so they can also downvote me so that I can magically realize what was so terribly wrong about comment, I forgot about that.
- radicalriddler 8y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.
  - PavlovsCat 8y ago
    I'm aware of that, but I find downvotes without reply so much more boring. It's not like HN seems to care about the abuse of that, at all, it's just a mechanism for double standards and intellectual dishonesty. Can you tell me what in the world is wrong with my comment? I don't have a smartphone, I joke around with people about it, that's a fact. Maybe not super interesting, but I just wanted to support the person I replied to with literally the only practical experience I have with what they were talking about... so was genuinely stumped, and because I don't see why I would beg for someone to please explain (that only gets you people who didn't downvote guessing at the motivation of people who won't respond). It also kinda fits the topic: people mostly in their own heads, clicking buttons, thinking that means something, but being unable to articulate what that might be. I guess that comment deserved to be downvoted because it got downvoted, and I'm not supposed to talk about it because I'm not supposed to talk about it. A voting system itself makes for boring reading and for boring discussion, because people think if in doubt, they can just tag team people and then the numbers speak for themselves. It's like one-click sophistry. I don't care about the karma, I care about the form of communication that is, and what kind of person I would have to be to tacitly approve of it. The guidelines also talk about a sense of community, but I guess that's just a word, like thoughtful. But have an upvote because you just tried to help :P
    - magduf 8y ago
      I think this is a worthy comment. It reminds me of getting dumped by a girlfriend by text message with a refusal to talk about what happened and why she wanted to end the relationship. How is anyone supposed to learn from that behavior?
      - dajohnson89 8y ago
        In both cases, it doesn't really matter. If a girl dumps you over text message, she wasn't worth your time anyways. If someone downvotes you without explanation, ignore the downvote.
        magduf 8y ago
        >If a girl dumps you over text message, she wasn't worth your time anyways. Perhaps, but according to statistics I've seen, this kind of behavior, along with "ghosting" (which can include several different things), has become extremely common in dating these days. If most people are acting this way, it's hard to console someone with "he/she wasn't worth your time anyways". >If someone downvotes you without explanation, ignore the downvote. Same goes here: if this is the typical behavior of a majority of people, you can't just ignore it. The whole culture (as in dating above) is broken, and needs to be fixed.
vxNsr 8y ago
I'm confused about what part of the parent you're replying to, I haven't downvoted you, but it's just not clear what you're talking about in the context of the conversation.
- PavlovsCat 8y ago
  this bit > I don't talk about it IRL with people since it's impossible to discuss without coming across as a holier-than-thou asshole.
  - vxNsr 8y ago
    In the future you should quote it in the parent comment. that way people will at least understand what you're talking about. To make a nice look quote use the ">" and wrap the quote in asterisks to italicize.

PavlovsCat 8y ago

Fine, so they can also downvote me so that I can magically realize what was so terribly wrong about comment, I forgot about that.

radicalriddler 8y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.
- PavlovsCat 8y ago
  I'm aware of that, but I find downvotes without reply so much more boring. It's not like HN seems to care about the abuse of that, at all, it's just a mechanism for double standards and intellectual dishonesty. Can you tell me what in the world is wrong with my comment? I don't have a smartphone, I joke around with people about it, that's a fact. Maybe not super interesting, but I just wanted to support the person I replied to with literally the only practical experience I have with what they were talking about... so was genuinely stumped, and because I don't see why I would beg for someone to please explain (that only gets you people who didn't downvote guessing at the motivation of people who won't respond). It also kinda fits the topic: people mostly in their own heads, clicking buttons, thinking that means something, but being unable to articulate what that might be. I guess that comment deserved to be downvoted because it got downvoted, and I'm not supposed to talk about it because I'm not supposed to talk about it. A voting system itself makes for boring reading and for boring discussion, because people think if in doubt, they can just tag team people and then the numbers speak for themselves. It's like one-click sophistry. I don't care about the karma, I care about the form of communication that is, and what kind of person I would have to be to tacitly approve of it. The guidelines also talk about a sense of community, but I guess that's just a word, like thoughtful. But have an upvote because you just tried to help :P
  - magduf 8y ago
    I think this is a worthy comment. It reminds me of getting dumped by a girlfriend by text message with a refusal to talk about what happened and why she wanted to end the relationship. How is anyone supposed to learn from that behavior?
    - dajohnson89 8y ago
      In both cases, it doesn't really matter. If a girl dumps you over text message, she wasn't worth your time anyways. If someone downvotes you without explanation, ignore the downvote.
      - magduf 8y ago
        >If a girl dumps you over text message, she wasn't worth your time anyways. Perhaps, but according to statistics I've seen, this kind of behavior, along with "ghosting" (which can include several different things), has become extremely common in dating these days. If most people are acting this way, it's hard to console someone with "he/she wasn't worth your time anyways". >If someone downvotes you without explanation, ignore the downvote. Same goes here: if this is the typical behavior of a majority of people, you can't just ignore it. The whole culture (as in dating above) is broken, and needs to be fixed.

vxNsr 8y ago

I'm confused about what part of the parent you're replying to, I haven't downvoted you, but it's just not clear what you're talking about in the context of the conversation.

PavlovsCat 8y ago
this bit > I don't talk about it IRL with people since it's impossible to discuss without coming across as a holier-than-thou asshole.
- vxNsr 8y ago
  In the future you should quote it in the parent comment. that way people will at least understand what you're talking about. To make a nice look quote use the ">" and wrap the quote in asterisks to italicize.