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How is "gmo corn" worse than "just corn"?

by DenisM 8y ago

tracker1 8y ago
Most commercial corn is modified (by gmo or breeding) at this point... Corn and Soy are more inflammatory than other grains and it's fairly common to see more allergen response from GMO corn, soy and even wheat over more traditional strains (5-10 times more likely iirc).
- saagarjha 8y ago
  > Corn and Soy are more inflammatory than other grains I'm sorry, but what do you mean by this?
- DenisM 8y ago
  > fairly common to see more allergen response from GMO corn, soy and even wheat over more traditional strains Citation please?
  - tracker1 8y ago
    Look at a couple of the books/articles/interviews by JJ Virgin to start... there's many more references that will spread out from there. I'm sorry but I've done a lot of reading over the past couple years mostly to expand personal knowledge, I'm bad about remembering all the individual articles to cite and mostly rely on google for what I can remember. Tom Bilyeu and HVMN channels on youtube also have some great content. DietDoctor.com is another good resource. - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnYMOamNKLGVlJgRUbamveA https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnYMOamNKLGVlJgRUbamveA - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLHIpELaHyVsSaQPJnL0n3w https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLHIpELaHyVsSaQPJnL0n3w - https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/modern-wheat-health-nightmare https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/modern-wheat-health-nig... edit: if someone could explain the downvotes? edit2: you know, I didn't have a lot of time to look up a bunch of stuff... I provided what I could... I didn't mean to link to the image, but an article with it, and in the end, whatever... the vegetarians have spoken and down modded anything disagreeing into oblivion without any counter argument with citation, or any actual experiments confirming their own bias.
    - DenisM 8y ago
      Did you just link to a PNG file [1] titled "7 foods to avoid on a virgin diet" as a proof of some sort? I mean this file has literally no informational value - it's an opinion of unidentified persons based on unidentified research data. What does this have to do with your earlier assertion about GMO corn being allergenic? [1] http://jjvirgin.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/TVD-7FoodsToAvoid_FRIDGE.png http://jjvirgin.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2...
    - JohnJamesRambo 8y ago
      Well you posted YouTube videos...
    - sridca 8y ago
      You are getting downvoted because HN has a vegan bias. Welcome to modern religion.
- greglindahl 8y ago
  "or breeding"? Corn was created by breeding from a native plant that doesn't really resemble corn at all, thousands of years ago. So 100% of corn was created "by breeding".
- hnuser123456 8y ago
  Corn isn't even a natural plant to begin with. It used to be a grass. Humans created corn with artificial selection, same with dogs.
sokoloff 8y ago
If the genetic modification is to make it glyphosate resistant, there’s a higher likelihood that the corn will have glyphosate in it.
- DenisM 8y ago
  I don't think that's true. There are three broad categories of produce: Organic, non-Organic/GMO, non-Organic/non-GMO. Organic is grown without pesticides at all, but given higher prices it does not compete with gmo-non-organic or non-gmo-non-organic. For non-organic food, both GMO and non-GMO plants are treated with various pesticides because those pests aren't removing themselves. The GMOs are treated with a smaller number of higher doses of glyphosate earlier in the plant's life, and no other pesticides. Non-GMO plants are treated with lower doses of many varieties of pesticides across a longer period of time. If anything, non-GMO products should have more pesticide residue on them, and those pesticides are less studied.
  - opo 8y ago
    >...Organic is grown without pesticides at all, I don't think that is true: >...Organic farming, just like other forms of agriculture, still uses pesticides and fungicides to prevent critters from destroying their crops. >...According to the National Center for Food and Agricultural Policy, the top two organic fungicides, copper and sulfur, were used at a rate of 4 and 34 pounds per acre in 1971 1. In contrast, the synthetic fungicides only required a rate of 1.6 lbs per acre, less than half the amount of the organic alternatives. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/httpblogsscientificamericancomscience-sushi20110718mythbusting-101-organic-farming-conventional-agriculture/ https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/httpblogs...

How is "gmo corn" worse than "just corn"?

by DenisM 8y ago

How is "gmo corn" worse than "just corn"?

Most commercial corn is modified (by gmo or breeding) at this point... Corn and Soy are more inflammatory than other grains and it's fairly common to see more allergen response from GMO corn, soy and even wheat over more traditional strains (5-10 times more likely iirc).

saagarjha 8y ago
> Corn and Soy are more inflammatory than other grains I'm sorry, but what do you mean by this?
DenisM 8y ago
> fairly common to see more allergen response from GMO corn, soy and even wheat over more traditional strains Citation please?
- tracker1 8y ago
  Look at a couple of the books/articles/interviews by JJ Virgin to start... there's many more references that will spread out from there. I'm sorry but I've done a lot of reading over the past couple years mostly to expand personal knowledge, I'm bad about remembering all the individual articles to cite and mostly rely on google for what I can remember. Tom Bilyeu and HVMN channels on youtube also have some great content. DietDoctor.com is another good resource. - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnYMOamNKLGVlJgRUbamveA https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnYMOamNKLGVlJgRUbamveA - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLHIpELaHyVsSaQPJnL0n3w https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLHIpELaHyVsSaQPJnL0n3w - https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/modern-wheat-health-nightmare https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/modern-wheat-health-nig... edit: if someone could explain the downvotes? edit2: you know, I didn't have a lot of time to look up a bunch of stuff... I provided what I could... I didn't mean to link to the image, but an article with it, and in the end, whatever... the vegetarians have spoken and down modded anything disagreeing into oblivion without any counter argument with citation, or any actual experiments confirming their own bias.
  - DenisM 8y ago
    Did you just link to a PNG file [1] titled "7 foods to avoid on a virgin diet" as a proof of some sort? I mean this file has literally no informational value - it's an opinion of unidentified persons based on unidentified research data. What does this have to do with your earlier assertion about GMO corn being allergenic? [1] http://jjvirgin.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/TVD-7FoodsToAvoid_FRIDGE.png http://jjvirgin.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2...
  - JohnJamesRambo 8y ago
    Well you posted YouTube videos...
  - sridca 8y ago
    You are getting downvoted because HN has a vegan bias. Welcome to modern religion.
greglindahl 8y ago
"or breeding"? Corn was created by breeding from a native plant that doesn't really resemble corn at all, thousands of years ago. So 100% of corn was created "by breeding".
hnuser123456 8y ago
Corn isn't even a natural plant to begin with. It used to be a grass. Humans created corn with artificial selection, same with dogs.

sokoloff 8y ago

If the genetic modification is to make it glyphosate resistant, there’s a higher likelihood that the corn will have glyphosate in it.

DenisM 8y ago
I don't think that's true. There are three broad categories of produce: Organic, non-Organic/GMO, non-Organic/non-GMO. Organic is grown without pesticides at all, but given higher prices it does not compete with gmo-non-organic or non-gmo-non-organic. For non-organic food, both GMO and non-GMO plants are treated with various pesticides because those pests aren't removing themselves. The GMOs are treated with a smaller number of higher doses of glyphosate earlier in the plant's life, and no other pesticides. Non-GMO plants are treated with lower doses of many varieties of pesticides across a longer period of time. If anything, non-GMO products should have more pesticide residue on them, and those pesticides are less studied.
- opo 8y ago
  >...Organic is grown without pesticides at all, I don't think that is true: >...Organic farming, just like other forms of agriculture, still uses pesticides and fungicides to prevent critters from destroying their crops. >...According to the National Center for Food and Agricultural Policy, the top two organic fungicides, copper and sulfur, were used at a rate of 4 and 34 pounds per acre in 1971 1. In contrast, the synthetic fungicides only required a rate of 1.6 lbs per acre, less than half the amount of the organic alternatives. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/httpblogsscientificamericancomscience-sushi20110718mythbusting-101-organic-farming-conventional-agriculture/ https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/httpblogs...