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> Particularly because when you look at the spike in hate crimes, violence, antisemitism etc, you primarily see members of the alt-right fall within that group.

> Particularly because when you look at the spike in hate crimes, violence, antisemitism etc, you primarily see members of the alt-right fall within that group. Let's just go from the last week. Here is some left-wing violence: https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/22/us/conservative-activist-assault-uc-berkeley/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/22/us/conservative-activist-assa... Here is a weekly roundup of anti-semitism, and much of it is from the left (associated with Britain's Labour party): https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/02/week-headlines-tell-story-anti-semitism/583393/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/02/week-headl... And for hate crimes, the news is that Jussie Smolett has been arrested for staging the "modern-day lynching" against him that has captured national attention for the last few weeks: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jussie-smollet-chicago-attack-hoax-empire-actor-full-timeline-live-updates/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jussie-smollet-chicago-attack-h... I'm not saying the alt-right is nothing to worry about. I'm saying the left is capable of real harm too.

fzeroracer 8y ago
Considering how you seem to be sympathetic for the alt-right in the past times I've had to argue with you, I'm not surprised that you would be massively disingenuous with your arguments. Your second link does not indicate how 'much of the anti-semitism is from the left', and you're deliberately burying the lede. In your first, I'm not going to deny that violence against certain conservative activists exists. But my entire point is that there is no 'Unite the Right' rally or far-left groups murdering people like with the alt-right [1]. And for your third link, a single person being an idiot does not a movement make. You're grasping at straws and trying to claim a group exists where it doesn't. You're trying to justify a term made up by a president who in the same speech defended and attempted to justify the murder of a woman by the alt-right. [1] https://www.splcenter.org/20180205/alt-right-killing-people https://www.splcenter.org/20180205/alt-right-killing-people
- topmonk 8y ago
  > You're trying to justify a term made up by a president who in the same speech defended and attempted to justify the murder of a woman by the alt-right. If you just look at the speech by itself, who Trump was referring to was unclear. The protest was originally over whether some statues were to be torn down, and he could very well have been talking about those protestors. But if you look at his presidency in total, the fact that he's never has appeared to expressed support to neo-nazis or murder(!) of people of the alt-left before or after should make it clear that he was supporting the people protesting the removal of the statues and not the alt-right.
- dang 8y ago
  Personal attacks will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. When you're on the edge of posting like this to HN, please catch yourself and take a step back—as we all need to do. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: it looks like you've been using HN primarily for political battle. That's against the rules here, and we ban accounts that do it. More importantly it's against the spirit of this site, so please don't. It also looks like you've been crossing repeatedly into incivility. Please don't do that either.
  - fzeroracer 8y ago
    Right, I'll back off a bit. I can admit that I've been especially hostile these past few days. But, I am starting to see a serious issue with posters on HN engaging in bad faith arguments and spreading heavily anti-scientific nonsense. Not only have I seen posters here openly defending pedophilia [1], arguing in bad faith by making deliberately misleading arguments [2], people not even attempting to make an argument [3] and many more non-arguments [4]. This is without even mentioning the posts I have seen being highly transphobic and comments/articles made by trans-people (with good arguments!) being voted down into the abyss, both of which I could find examples were it not 3AM. I have flagged many comments and tend to err towards only the most egregious and while I can understand that the moderation team can only do so much at a certain point the trend I'm noticing is deeply concerning. If you don't want HN to be a site with any sort of political battles, then HN needs to better define what kinds of things make up politics. I avoid making threads here and I generally don't stray from the topic of said threads. But ultimately if the goal of the site is to flag and move on when you see someone make a bad faith argument or make a political post: That's tacitly leaving bad arguments unchallenged, especially when the flagging system fails to work. And I want to make it clear that this isn't an argument against you in particular dang; but rather the issues I see looming on the horizon for HN. Hence my increasing frustration. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19213130 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19213130 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19189546 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19189546 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18984096 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18984096 [4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19005731 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19005731

fzeroracer 8y ago

Considering how you seem to be sympathetic for the alt-right in the past times I've had to argue with you, I'm not surprised that you would be massively disingenuous with your arguments. Your second link does not indicate how 'much of the anti-semitism is from the left', and you're deliberately burying the lede. In your first, I'm not going to deny that violence against certain conservative activists exists. But my entire point is that there is no 'Unite the Right' rally or far-left groups murdering people like with the alt-right [1]. And for your third link, a single person being an idiot does not a movement make. You're grasping at straws and trying to claim a group exists where it doesn't. You're trying to justify a term made up by a president who in the same speech defended and attempted to justify the murder of a woman by the alt-right. [1] https://www.splcenter.org/20180205/alt-right-killing-people https://www.splcenter.org/20180205/alt-right-killing-people

topmonk 8y ago
> You're trying to justify a term made up by a president who in the same speech defended and attempted to justify the murder of a woman by the alt-right. If you just look at the speech by itself, who Trump was referring to was unclear. The protest was originally over whether some statues were to be torn down, and he could very well have been talking about those protestors. But if you look at his presidency in total, the fact that he's never has appeared to expressed support to neo-nazis or murder(!) of people of the alt-left before or after should make it clear that he was supporting the people protesting the removal of the statues and not the alt-right.
dang 8y ago
Personal attacks will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. When you're on the edge of posting like this to HN, please catch yourself and take a step back—as we all need to do. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: it looks like you've been using HN primarily for political battle. That's against the rules here, and we ban accounts that do it. More importantly it's against the spirit of this site, so please don't. It also looks like you've been crossing repeatedly into incivility. Please don't do that either.
- fzeroracer 8y ago
  Right, I'll back off a bit. I can admit that I've been especially hostile these past few days. But, I am starting to see a serious issue with posters on HN engaging in bad faith arguments and spreading heavily anti-scientific nonsense. Not only have I seen posters here openly defending pedophilia [1], arguing in bad faith by making deliberately misleading arguments [2], people not even attempting to make an argument [3] and many more non-arguments [4]. This is without even mentioning the posts I have seen being highly transphobic and comments/articles made by trans-people (with good arguments!) being voted down into the abyss, both of which I could find examples were it not 3AM. I have flagged many comments and tend to err towards only the most egregious and while I can understand that the moderation team can only do so much at a certain point the trend I'm noticing is deeply concerning. If you don't want HN to be a site with any sort of political battles, then HN needs to better define what kinds of things make up politics. I avoid making threads here and I generally don't stray from the topic of said threads. But ultimately if the goal of the site is to flag and move on when you see someone make a bad faith argument or make a political post: That's tacitly leaving bad arguments unchallenged, especially when the flagging system fails to work. And I want to make it clear that this isn't an argument against you in particular dang; but rather the issues I see looming on the horizon for HN. Hence my increasing frustration. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19213130 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19213130 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19189546 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19189546 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18984096 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18984096 [4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19005731 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19005731