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So are there any foods that are uncontroversially known to predispose people to heart attacks? It seems that just about everything is contentious in nutrition s

So are there any foods that are uncontroversially known to predispose people to heart attacks? It seems that just about everything is contentious in nutrition science these days.

DVassallo 8y ago
Yes. Refined carbs, especially fructose. Unlike red meat which we've been eating for 200,000 years, we've only started eating refined carbs in large quantities for the last ~50 years.
tracker1 8y ago
Refined sugars and other highly inflammatory foods in general increase risk over time. Metabolic syndrome seems to be the biggest correlation to most disease. Most refined sugars are half or more Fructose and we get in general 30 times the amount of sugar on average today compared to 120 years ago. We also get far more refined grains, and refined vegetable (seed) oils. High fructose intake in particular leads to a lot of disruption, although increased and continuous carbohydrate and intake of refined oils is seeing more evidence of being a large impact as well. Most of my reading the past couple years seems to indicate that minimizing overly refined foods in general and reducing snacking and increasing fasting cycles (intermittent and extended) are some of the better changes we (as a people) could make beyond sugar specifically and refined foods in general. edit: note: the only organ that can really process fructose is the liver, and in quantities often consumed, the effect is worse than alcoholism.
- drilldrive 8y ago
  Yes, I agree with you personally that refined foods are terrible for you long term, but is there an expert consensus on the issue? And I do not think there is a consensus on sugars in particular. Regarding refined grains, do you have a take on house-hold breads? I mean, the breads are highly processed, and yet I do not know of an alternative for sandwiches and the like.
  - tracker1 8y ago
    Aside from paid shills of the sugar/soda industry and a bunch of junk research from the 60's, there's a pretty solid concensus that refined sugars (especially at modern diet levels) and in particular fructose is pretty damned bad for you.
  - tracker1 8y ago
    Unfortunately, commercial breads are all very processed and far more bioavailable with less fiber than would be present pre industrial economy. I try to simply avoid it most of the time. Personally I stick to mostly greens, eggs, fish, meat M-W-F, fast Su-Tu-Th and more flexible in terms of what I eat (bread/pasta, fruit, etc) on Saturdays. M-W-F, fat coffee with protein in the AM, lunch, dinner keto macros. Tu-Th, fat coffee in the AM, only tea and water/saltwater the reset of the day. Saturday, eat 2 meals of whatever (within calories, usually under 150-200g carbs) Sunday, dry or water fast.
DenisM 8y ago
Simple carbs are universally implicated in a lot of different problems, but I'm not sure about heart disease.

So are there any foods that are uncontroversially known to predispose people to heart attacks? It seems that just about everything is contentious in nutrition science these days.

DVassallo 8y ago

Yes. Refined carbs, especially fructose. Unlike red meat which we've been eating for 200,000 years, we've only started eating refined carbs in large quantities for the last ~50 years.

tracker1 8y ago

Refined sugars and other highly inflammatory foods in general increase risk over time. Metabolic syndrome seems to be the biggest correlation to most disease. Most refined sugars are half or more Fructose and we get in general 30 times the amount of sugar on average today compared to 120 years ago. We also get far more refined grains, and refined vegetable (seed) oils. High fructose intake in particular leads to a lot of disruption, although increased and continuous carbohydrate and intake of refined oils is seeing more evidence of being a large impact as well. Most of my reading the past couple years seems to indicate that minimizing overly refined foods in general and reducing snacking and increasing fasting cycles (intermittent and extended) are some of the better changes we (as a people) could make beyond sugar specifically and refined foods in general. edit: note: the only organ that can really process fructose is the liver, and in quantities often consumed, the effect is worse than alcoholism.

drilldrive 8y ago
Yes, I agree with you personally that refined foods are terrible for you long term, but is there an expert consensus on the issue? And I do not think there is a consensus on sugars in particular. Regarding refined grains, do you have a take on house-hold breads? I mean, the breads are highly processed, and yet I do not know of an alternative for sandwiches and the like.
- tracker1 8y ago
  Aside from paid shills of the sugar/soda industry and a bunch of junk research from the 60's, there's a pretty solid concensus that refined sugars (especially at modern diet levels) and in particular fructose is pretty damned bad for you.
- tracker1 8y ago
  Unfortunately, commercial breads are all very processed and far more bioavailable with less fiber than would be present pre industrial economy. I try to simply avoid it most of the time. Personally I stick to mostly greens, eggs, fish, meat M-W-F, fast Su-Tu-Th and more flexible in terms of what I eat (bread/pasta, fruit, etc) on Saturdays. M-W-F, fat coffee with protein in the AM, lunch, dinner keto macros. Tu-Th, fat coffee in the AM, only tea and water/saltwater the reset of the day. Saturday, eat 2 meals of whatever (within calories, usually under 150-200g carbs) Sunday, dry or water fast.

DenisM 8y ago

Simple carbs are universally implicated in a lot of different problems, but I'm not sure about heart disease.