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"If New York only allows unionized companies to enter, our economy is unsustainable" Dear workers: you must remain poor and powerless forever, for the greater
by blacksqr 8y ago
"If New York only allows unionized companies to enter, our economy is unsustainable"
Dear workers: you must remain poor and powerless forever, for the greater good.
- tptacek 8y agoDid you miss the surrounding context? His point is that NY has very strong worker protections, and that it's much better to let a non-unionized company set up in NY and then organize it, rather than trying to make organization a condition to entry.
- blacksqr 8y agoIsn't the validity and relevance of those points something for the unions to decide for themselves? Some people are still able to distinguish reality from a sales pitch.
- tptacek 8y agoNo? I don't understand how you're connecting these dots. It's not like we have to wonder whether the union strategy worked here. It demonstrably failed. Amazon didn't buckle, they didn't accept Whole Foods unionization as a condition of setting up shop in Queens, and the union will not in fact see a single additional job as a result of what happened.
- blacksqr 8y ago"the union will not in fact see a single additional job as a result of what happened" That assumes that all union organizing will now cease or come to nothing, and the unions will get no benefit from keeping a huge, dedicated anti-union company out of their back yard.
- tptacek 8y agoNo, it just means that this particular transaction was net-negative for unions.
- blacksqr 8y agoSo your argument is that the unions should have just taken the deal as dictated to them without considering their larger self-interest?
- tptacek 8y agoYes? "As dictated to them" is a weird way of putting it, since they were the ones making the demands.
- blacksqr 8y agoDear workers: you must remain poor and powerless forever, for the greater good.
- tptacek 8y agoOnce again, we don't have to wonder whether this particular strategy worked. It demonstrably did not. Workers in NY state and at Whole Foods are worse off than they would have been. This is a setback for the effort to unionize Whole Foods.
- blacksqr 8y agoYou seem to be confusing strategy (long term thinking) with tactics (short term thinking) I wish I could understand why you seem to think it's a no-brainer that workers should unilaterally resign what they see as their long term interests to accept unquestioningly a corporate agenda with uncertain benefits for them in an indeterminate future.
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