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Except this newspaper publishes all letters from all comers making it fairly obvious censorship. "Start your own website" is a brush-off when faced with corpor

by blfr 8y ago

Except this newspaper publishes all letters from all comers making it fairly obvious censorship. "Start your own website" is a brush-off when faced with corporate cenosrhip. People have tried it. Daily Stormer had several domains pulled, Gab had payment processors and Google Play ban them. There is a very real problem with corporate harassment for views their management finds worthy of targeting and people are dismissing it because they like the targeting. For now anyway.

nkozyra 8y ago
> People have tried it. Daily Stormer had several domains pulled, Gab had payment processors and Google Play ban them. I don't see this as a "problem," per se. There are no guarantees in life that you will have unfettered access to services like this, particularly if you use them in a manner the providers deem against their terms.
armada651 8y ago
Just because you have freedom of expression doesn't mean everyone is obligated to listen to it and pay you money for it. "Freedom of expression" is just that, the freedom to voice your opinion. It's not the "Right of attention". Furthermore, like any freedom there are limitations when your freedom starts endangering the freedom of others. We don't allow hate speech and death threats, so where does anti-vax fit in?
- blfr 8y ago
  I like the way Eric Weinstein put it. “I don’t believe that we can afford to take a neutral stance anymore. I don’t believe that we should optimize for neutrality..” -@jack Glad to hear it. And, because you just changed your view on neutrality, I just changed mine on anti-trust, eminent domain and tech platforms. https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1095457572314787840 https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/109545757231478784... It's true. These platforms don't owe users a freedom to voice their opinions. But since they're making editorial decisions, we, as a society, don't owe them protection from libel laws for example. And we should definitely look into monopolistic practices of VISA and Mastercard because it's much more serious than some microblogging site.
RoadRunner2 8y ago
Youtube does not publishes everything that is uploaded what are you talking about? Youtube doesn't accept porn for example, which is why people that want to share entirely legal videos of consenting adults having sex created their own platforms to do it. You never hear complaints from them about being censored. Because they were not. When did it became acceptable to go into someone's house, start shouting about some crazy religion, then act surprised crying censorship and oppression when they finally ask you to leave?

by blfr 8y ago

nkozyra 8y ago

> People have tried it. Daily Stormer had several domains pulled, Gab had payment processors and Google Play ban them. I don't see this as a "problem," per se. There are no guarantees in life that you will have unfettered access to services like this, particularly if you use them in a manner the providers deem against their terms.

armada651 8y ago

Just because you have freedom of expression doesn't mean everyone is obligated to listen to it and pay you money for it. "Freedom of expression" is just that, the freedom to voice your opinion. It's not the "Right of attention". Furthermore, like any freedom there are limitations when your freedom starts endangering the freedom of others. We don't allow hate speech and death threats, so where does anti-vax fit in?

blfr 8y ago
I like the way Eric Weinstein put it. “I don’t believe that we can afford to take a neutral stance anymore. I don’t believe that we should optimize for neutrality..” -@jack Glad to hear it. And, because you just changed your view on neutrality, I just changed mine on anti-trust, eminent domain and tech platforms. https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1095457572314787840 https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/109545757231478784... It's true. These platforms don't owe users a freedom to voice their opinions. But since they're making editorial decisions, we, as a society, don't owe them protection from libel laws for example. And we should definitely look into monopolistic practices of VISA and Mastercard because it's much more serious than some microblogging site.

RoadRunner2 8y ago

Youtube does not publishes everything that is uploaded what are you talking about? Youtube doesn't accept porn for example, which is why people that want to share entirely legal videos of consenting adults having sex created their own platforms to do it. You never hear complaints from them about being censored. Because they were not. When did it became acceptable to go into someone's house, start shouting about some crazy religion, then act surprised crying censorship and oppression when they finally ask you to leave?