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I understand your point, parents and society as general are responsible for the people they create, however, please consider that the line between online and of

by omeid2 8y ago

I understand your point, parents and society as general are responsible for the people they create, however, please consider that the line between online and offline life is getting ever blurrier, specially for younger generation. When large media outlets* are not mindful of the kind of content they push to younger people, they're failing the society and should be hold responsible for it, this of course, is not mutually exclusive with parents responsibility for monitoring what kind of content their children are consuming. * I am intentionally using the term media-outlet instead of social-media to bring the parallel with television and radio. Consider how you would think if TV or Radio pushed graphic content for audience they did as matter of fact know are kids?

the-great-assyr 8y ago
Again, I have to underline that if the father or the family of that girl was well aware of what was going on in the messed up head of that girl, she would not have committed suicide, no matter Pinterest, no matter Instagram, no matter any goddamn social network. And if it's true that the border of online and IRL is getting more and more blurry, then again the most efficient solution has to be found in the education, scholarization, in the mindful usage of these tools and in taking the responsibilities from the bases. Yes, algorithms should be perfected but accusing them to be the cause of death of a fragile, insecure, mentally unstable adolescent is so utterly ridicule. And it is distracting from the real goddamn problem that is not "the evil algorithm" or "the evil company" but the ignorant, stupid parent that was so absent not to understand how sick he daughter was!! Oh, but my reasoning is harsh because it throws responsibilities in your faces, I know. Better demand. Better delude yourselves. Better think that the fault is "somewhere else" and let someone else take the fault. What pisses me the most is to see all those people agreeing with that bowl of shit that is wired...
- pjc50 8y ago
  > if the father or the family of that girl was well aware of what was going on in the messed up head of that girl, she would not have committed suicide How? Involuntary commitment to a psychiatric institution?
- DanBC 8y ago
  > she would not have committed suicide You don't know anything about suicide. It's okay to be ignorant about a topic. It's less okay to be so ignorant while giving such stong opinions. People die by suicide. For some of them the family all knew the person was suicidal and were powerless to prevent the death. For others nobody knew the person was suicidal, and we don't know if the death could have been prevented. For the case talked about it's likely that the culture of self harm prevented her from seeking help. She was accesing content that gave advice about hiding self harm from others, and about the futility of mental health treatment.
- omeid2 8y ago
  > then again the most efficient solution has to be found in the education, scholarization, in the mindful usage of these tools and in taking the responsibilities from the bases This takes time, and is the reason why we need to treat kids differently and have legal and practical systems to protect them in their journey into mature adults. > algorithms should be perfected but accusing them to be the cause of death of a fragile, insecure, mentally unstable adolescent is so utterly ridicule. There is no question that exposing people to certain kind of content impacts their mental health and outlook. We also know that even a cursory look at any kind of material online can end up with you being exposed to "related content" all over the internet, so it is possible that a perfectly healthy kid could somehow stumble upon one or two such material and end up being bombard by it all over the internet. But here is the important thing, the specifics of how or why these platforms are exposing kids to such content is irrelevant, or implementation details in the programmer speak, algorithm or not. What matter is a simple fact that these platforms are exposing kids to dangerous content and we should do something about it.

by omeid2 8y ago

the-great-assyr 8y ago

Again, I have to underline that if the father or the family of that girl was well aware of what was going on in the messed up head of that girl, she would not have committed suicide, no matter Pinterest, no matter Instagram, no matter any goddamn social network. And if it's true that the border of online and IRL is getting more and more blurry, then again the most efficient solution has to be found in the education, scholarization, in the mindful usage of these tools and in taking the responsibilities from the bases. Yes, algorithms should be perfected but accusing them to be the cause of death of a fragile, insecure, mentally unstable adolescent is so utterly ridicule. And it is distracting from the real goddamn problem that is not "the evil algorithm" or "the evil company" but the ignorant, stupid parent that was so absent not to understand how sick he daughter was!! Oh, but my reasoning is harsh because it throws responsibilities in your faces, I know. Better demand. Better delude yourselves. Better think that the fault is "somewhere else" and let someone else take the fault. What pisses me the most is to see all those people agreeing with that bowl of shit that is wired...

pjc50 8y ago
> if the father or the family of that girl was well aware of what was going on in the messed up head of that girl, she would not have committed suicide How? Involuntary commitment to a psychiatric institution?
DanBC 8y ago
> she would not have committed suicide You don't know anything about suicide. It's okay to be ignorant about a topic. It's less okay to be so ignorant while giving such stong opinions. People die by suicide. For some of them the family all knew the person was suicidal and were powerless to prevent the death. For others nobody knew the person was suicidal, and we don't know if the death could have been prevented. For the case talked about it's likely that the culture of self harm prevented her from seeking help. She was accesing content that gave advice about hiding self harm from others, and about the futility of mental health treatment.
omeid2 8y ago
> then again the most efficient solution has to be found in the education, scholarization, in the mindful usage of these tools and in taking the responsibilities from the bases This takes time, and is the reason why we need to treat kids differently and have legal and practical systems to protect them in their journey into mature adults. > algorithms should be perfected but accusing them to be the cause of death of a fragile, insecure, mentally unstable adolescent is so utterly ridicule. There is no question that exposing people to certain kind of content impacts their mental health and outlook. We also know that even a cursory look at any kind of material online can end up with you being exposed to "related content" all over the internet, so it is possible that a perfectly healthy kid could somehow stumble upon one or two such material and end up being bombard by it all over the internet. But here is the important thing, the specifics of how or why these platforms are exposing kids to such content is irrelevant, or implementation details in the programmer speak, algorithm or not. What matter is a simple fact that these platforms are exposing kids to dangerous content and we should do something about it.