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I think it could happen if the incentives are set up differently, otherwise right now you spend time and effort training people only to have them change jobs in

I think it could happen if the incentives are set up differently, otherwise right now you spend time and effort training people only to have them change jobs in 2 years at a better company.

wolfgke 8y ago
> I think it could happen if the incentives are set up differently, otherwise right now you spend time and effort training people only to have them change jobs in 2 years at a better company. - Can't you simply make a contract that binds them to your company for a longer time? (I don't know about the law in the US) - Focus the training on technology that is rather specific to your company so that other conpanies are less incentivized to poach the employee because the training that you gave him/her is much less of use for other companies.
iovrthoughtthis 8y ago
Bigger raises. People move because the paybump is often whole multiples of pay rises. Also better managers. We don’t quit jobs as often as we quit managers.
- noir_lord 8y ago
  Been more remote friendly as well, there are good programmers everywhere often who can't move for reasons beyond their control. Same with UK to an extent, salary differential between north and south is large (even when accounting for cost of living).
  - MRD85 8y ago
    In 18 months I'm moving somewhere with not amazing job prospects due to an arrangement with my ex-wife about our kids. It's not a legal arrangement but I take promises seriously. My children are a higher priority than my career. I could work remote for 70% of a regular salary and it will be an amazing salary for my new region. I'm sure I'll give at least 0.9 productivity remotely. I'd be silly not to hire me and I hope others see the same.
    - brianwawok 8y ago
      Collaboration is so much harder remote. Slack and video can help! But you still lose some. I have been on both sides of the remote equation, and I think it’s not optimal.
      - raverbashing 8y ago
        True, though, if you can make it to the office once a week/once a month it definitely helps. Major respect for OP, and he deserves good remote opportunities.
- badfrog 8y ago
  Yeah, at FANG when you get promoted, your RSU grant isn't increased to match the new level. So if you can get a job elsewhere at your new level, it's almost always a big pay increase.
  - akhilcacharya 8y ago
    I’m pretty sure that only happens at Amazon
    - badfrog 8y ago
      I know from personal experience that this happens at more than just Amazon.
- wool_gather 8y ago
  Yep. We just did yearly reviews and I got a raise, after a year of hard work leading a project that is now bringing in a bunch of revenue, that was...underwhelming. Doubly so when I compare to the two offers that I turned down last year. They were both rather more than my post-raise salary. I like working for this company for a bunch of reasons, but come on...
  - toomuchtodo 8y ago
    Time to start interviewing!

I think it could happen if the incentives are set up differently, otherwise right now you spend time and effort training people only to have them change jobs in 2 years at a better company.

wolfgke 8y ago

> I think it could happen if the incentives are set up differently, otherwise right now you spend time and effort training people only to have them change jobs in 2 years at a better company. - Can't you simply make a contract that binds them to your company for a longer time? (I don't know about the law in the US) - Focus the training on technology that is rather specific to your company so that other conpanies are less incentivized to poach the employee because the training that you gave him/her is much less of use for other companies.

iovrthoughtthis 8y ago

Bigger raises. People move because the paybump is often whole multiples of pay rises. Also better managers. We don’t quit jobs as often as we quit managers.

noir_lord 8y ago
Been more remote friendly as well, there are good programmers everywhere often who can't move for reasons beyond their control. Same with UK to an extent, salary differential between north and south is large (even when accounting for cost of living).
- MRD85 8y ago
  In 18 months I'm moving somewhere with not amazing job prospects due to an arrangement with my ex-wife about our kids. It's not a legal arrangement but I take promises seriously. My children are a higher priority than my career. I could work remote for 70% of a regular salary and it will be an amazing salary for my new region. I'm sure I'll give at least 0.9 productivity remotely. I'd be silly not to hire me and I hope others see the same.
  - brianwawok 8y ago
    Collaboration is so much harder remote. Slack and video can help! But you still lose some. I have been on both sides of the remote equation, and I think it’s not optimal.
    - raverbashing 8y ago
      True, though, if you can make it to the office once a week/once a month it definitely helps. Major respect for OP, and he deserves good remote opportunities.
badfrog 8y ago
Yeah, at FANG when you get promoted, your RSU grant isn't increased to match the new level. So if you can get a job elsewhere at your new level, it's almost always a big pay increase.
- akhilcacharya 8y ago
  I’m pretty sure that only happens at Amazon
  - badfrog 8y ago
    I know from personal experience that this happens at more than just Amazon.
wool_gather 8y ago
Yep. We just did yearly reviews and I got a raise, after a year of hard work leading a project that is now bringing in a bunch of revenue, that was...underwhelming. Doubly so when I compare to the two offers that I turned down last year. They were both rather more than my post-raise salary. I like working for this company for a bunch of reasons, but come on...
- toomuchtodo 8y ago
  Time to start interviewing!