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I can't speak for absconditus but... It's my belief that no one has the right not to be offended and I would rather live in a society of people that are brough

by detst 16y ago

I can't speak for absconditus but... It's my belief that no one has the right not to be offended and I would rather live in a society of people that are brought up to be exposed to realities of our history and culture that offend them. I say let kids think for themselves and sometimes be offended. Expose them to religious writings; it's part of who we are (no, I'm not religious). Let them read the writings of dictators to get inside the heads of men that did terrible things to better understand history. etc. What would we have to lose other than to have a society of people that better understand the world and the history that brought us here?

Anechoic 16y ago
I say let kids think for themselves and sometimes be offended. I totally agree - let them think for themselves and let them read and research what they want. Forcing them to do so on the other hand helps no one. YMMV. Like I wrote, my exposure to Mark Twain just resulted in me not going anywhere near his other works. What would we have to lose other than to have a society of people that better understand the world and the history that brought us here? Life experience was a much better instructor to me than nigger Jim.
- jordan0day 16y ago
  "I totally agree - let them think for themselves and let them read and research what they want. Forcing them to do so on the other hand helps no one." I have to disagree here. Certainly, you can make the "at least they're reading something!"-type of argument. That is, when you let them read Twilight or something of similarly less literary value than The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, well, "at least they're reading something!" I think this is doing a disservice to "the kids", though. I mean, it's a tough argument. It sucks that we can't just make kids be seriously interested in literature, science, and mathematics. It's quite possibly (probably?) an indictment of our teachers that 95% (totally made up statistic) of kids who read Huck Finn just don't get it. I mean, I know I didn't when I was 14 and had to read it. "As a product of it's day, I understand the context in which the language is being used but that didn't make it any less demeaning..." I can't imagine what it was like to be a black kid being forced to read Huck Finn in school. I'm sure most teachers have some cursory 5-minute CYA lecture about how Twain was using vernacular to best illustrate his point about what things really were like in America in the 19th century, but I imagine as a black kid the language was still shocking. As a white kid the language is shocking, but obviously not in the same way. Re: your "as a product of it's day" comment, though, you're completely missing the point! "Nigger" wasn't used extensively in Huck Finn because Twain thought it was the best descriptor or what his readers would be most familiar with, he used it because he was decrying the mindset that makes that word acceptable altogether! Probably the biggest point made in the book was that even Huckleberry Finn, a poor, uneducated, half-illiterate southerner could realize that Jim is no less a human being than he or anyone else, and that his entire worldview has been wrong. Twain was saying "if even the lowly Huckleberry Finn can recognize this, why can't the rest of 19th-century America?" Let's be honest, understanding subtext and being thoughtfully analytic aren't exactly most teenagers strong suits. So it's easy as a young reader of Huck Finn to chalk it up as just racist garbage with some redeeming attributes. I would encourage you as an older, and presumably more thoughtful, person to re-read it and reconsider your position. Twain is one of America's greatest writers, and while if you've read Huck Finn you've probably read his "greatest"(1) work, there's still a lot else out there worth reading. (1) - I think it was Hemingway who called Huck Finn "American's Homeric Epic", or something to that effect.

by detst 16y ago

Anechoic 16y ago

I say let kids think for themselves and sometimes be offended. I totally agree - let them think for themselves and let them read and research what they want. Forcing them to do so on the other hand helps no one. YMMV. Like I wrote, my exposure to Mark Twain just resulted in me not going anywhere near his other works. What would we have to lose other than to have a society of people that better understand the world and the history that brought us here? Life experience was a much better instructor to me than nigger Jim.

jordan0day 16y ago
"I totally agree - let them think for themselves and let them read and research what they want. Forcing them to do so on the other hand helps no one." I have to disagree here. Certainly, you can make the "at least they're reading something!"-type of argument. That is, when you let them read Twilight or something of similarly less literary value than The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, well, "at least they're reading something!" I think this is doing a disservice to "the kids", though. I mean, it's a tough argument. It sucks that we can't just make kids be seriously interested in literature, science, and mathematics. It's quite possibly (probably?) an indictment of our teachers that 95% (totally made up statistic) of kids who read Huck Finn just don't get it. I mean, I know I didn't when I was 14 and had to read it. "As a product of it's day, I understand the context in which the language is being used but that didn't make it any less demeaning..." I can't imagine what it was like to be a black kid being forced to read Huck Finn in school. I'm sure most teachers have some cursory 5-minute CYA lecture about how Twain was using vernacular to best illustrate his point about what things really were like in America in the 19th century, but I imagine as a black kid the language was still shocking. As a white kid the language is shocking, but obviously not in the same way. Re: your "as a product of it's day" comment, though, you're completely missing the point! "Nigger" wasn't used extensively in Huck Finn because Twain thought it was the best descriptor or what his readers would be most familiar with, he used it because he was decrying the mindset that makes that word acceptable altogether! Probably the biggest point made in the book was that even Huckleberry Finn, a poor, uneducated, half-illiterate southerner could realize that Jim is no less a human being than he or anyone else, and that his entire worldview has been wrong. Twain was saying "if even the lowly Huckleberry Finn can recognize this, why can't the rest of 19th-century America?" Let's be honest, understanding subtext and being thoughtfully analytic aren't exactly most teenagers strong suits. So it's easy as a young reader of Huck Finn to chalk it up as just racist garbage with some redeeming attributes. I would encourage you as an older, and presumably more thoughtful, person to re-read it and reconsider your position. Twain is one of America's greatest writers, and while if you've read Huck Finn you've probably read his "greatest"(1) work, there's still a lot else out there worth reading. (1) - I think it was Hemingway who called Huck Finn "American's Homeric Epic", or something to that effect.