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The issue here is that these are parents making decisions for their minor children, not themselves. For example it has been ruled child abuse and illegal for Ch
by idDriven 8y ago
The issue here is that these are parents making decisions for their minor children, not themselves. For example it has been ruled child abuse and illegal for Christian Scientists to deny their minor children life-saving medical treatment.
The other issue here is that herd immunity or lack thereof can put other people's children at risk, not everyone is a responder to vaccination.
- everdev 8y agoThank you, this is probably one of the more calm, rational pro-vaxx comments on this thread. What might also help is research about what % of kids don't respond to vaccines so people who choose not to vaxx can better understand their impact.
- idDriven 8y agoThe risk is overall low, often this debate gets hijacked by debating over degree of risk, which is impossible to exactly establish based on epidemiological data. All the data we have indicates no risk to vaccination, and some risk to not vaccinating. There are also swaths of the population that are on immune-suppressing meds for a wide range of illness, older people in general, and anyone else with a compromised immune system that also rely on herd immunity. Edit: In case you were interested in hard data on non-responder rates here is that data: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr6007a1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr6007a1.htm
- tomp 8y agoShouldn’t the same argument be used to ban abortion?
- mcphage 8y agoNo, because legally fetuses aren’t children.
- idDriven 8y agoTechnically the earliest stages of pregnancy are more similar to cancer. Source: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-pregnancy-help-scientists-better-understand-cancer/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-pregnancy-hel...
- paulddraper 8y ago> it has been ruled child abuse and illegal for Christian Scientists to deny their minor children life-saving medical treatment Yes it has. If I understand you correctly, you suggest that the treatment having a 0.01% chance of being live-saving also be considered in the same way.
- idDriven 8y agoEthically yes, obviously it's many orders of magnitude worse to deny your septic child antibiotics than it is to not vaccinate them but in my view it's on the same spectrum. The data we have is all epidemiological, which is inherently somewhat fuzzy, however a plethora of well-designed studies have crunched the numbers different ways and absolutely no link can be found between rates of childhood vaccination and autism. Vaccination was considered one of the massive health breakthroughs of the 20th century. We have pretty much eradicated Hepatitis B for instance while it's still rampant in many Asian countries. From a Medical standpoint there is no valid reason not to vaccinate. I'm not advocating forcible vaccination and understand why that could make this hysteria worse however as a society we should examine where this misinformation is arising and how it's being amplified.
- paulddraper 8y ago> From a Medical standpoint there is no valid reason not to vaccinate. Currently, that is true. But medical opinion changes constantly. Is that really the proper domain of government?
- idDriven 8y agoIf you're saying that the standard of 'reporting' on health and science in the media at large is often conflicting and distorted into a confusing and often contradictory form there is definitely validity in that. John Oliver has a great segment called 'Scientific Studies' I'll link at the end of this post, everyone should watch this. If you are able to read the journals directly and have studied how to critically evaluate scientific studies I can guarantee that there is significantly, like thousands-fold, more consistent information. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rnq1NpHdmw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rnq1NpHdmw