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I have a choice to travel to other countries or not. I don't really have a choice to not live in (or not pay taxes to) the country I was born into.

• fzeroracer 8y ago
  No, but you do live with other people. As part of that, we all sign the social contract when we're born which stipulates how we can and cannot behave around other people. As part of that, people that disregard vaccination are putting the lives of those around them in very real danger. Which is exactly why people believe anti-vaxxers are a problem, and why there's an increasing push to deny them the public sphere.
  • rlt 8y ago
    > putting the lives of those around them in very real danger If thousands of people were dying of vaccine-preventable diseases I may reconsider my stance, but we are currently nowhere close to justifying crossing that line. IMHO it's a self-correcting problem. If more people do start dying of these diseases some of the holdouts will get the vaccines.
    • fzeroracer 8y ago
      As has been mentioned in this thread before it's not a 'self-correcting problem', because the people that legitimately cannot get vaccines or suffer from other issues compromising their immune system are affected as well. And as seen with issue issues relating to conspiracy theories...they tend to just deny the outbreaks as being government-orchestrated, or say that getting the disease is actually good for you. Anti-vaxxers threaten the lives of innocent people and acting otherwise is incredibly callous and ignorant.
      • rlt 8y ago
        How many immune system compromised individuals die of vaccine-preventable diseases in the United States each year? Like I said, if it's thousands I might reconsider my stance. If not, sorry, but it doesn't justify the government forcing people to do things to their body.
        • fzeroracer 8y ago
          Okay, real question: Are you being serious here? There's a huge logical problem with your argument. The reason why so few immune-compromised individuals die of vaccine-preventable diseases is because they're protected by herd immunity due to people being vaccinated. When the vaccination rate goes down, you see more people die from vaccine preventable diseases. Because that's what vaccines do: they prevent people from dying from vaccine-preventable diseases. Which, often, is children.
          • kazinator 8y ago
            > When the vaccination rate goes down, you see more people die from vaccine preventable diseases. To see this all we have to do is simply visualize history backwards, re-visiting the time before vaccines and medicine in general, and how people just horribly died in large numbers of diseases we don't even think of as deadly any more. But what are the odds vaccine deniers would believe historic record, right? The plague pandemics? Never happened; it's just a fabrication to promote vaccination.
          • rlt 8y ago
            There’s no problem with my argument. Enough people are voluntarily getting vaccines that it doesn’t justify government forcing people to, which I am philosophically opposed to unless absolutely necessary. I’ve repeatedly said I’d be willing to reconsider if that changes.
            • idDriven 8y ago
              A beloved family member you care about very much is sick. They are in the hospital receiving treatment but their body and immune system are already taxed to the limit fighting to survive. A new Nurse arrives on shift, upon initial meeting the Nurse tells you that "I don't believe in vaccination and have never been vaccinated for contagious disease." Do you want that Nurse to take care of your sick family member? Or do you tell the supervisor you want a different nurse?
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  • tomp 8y ago
    > people that disregard vaccination are putting the lives of those around them in very real danger. So do people that drive...