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A Car that is in the shop for free is still car that is out of service. Getting it fixed at no cost is the minimum I expect, but what I really want is to have n

A Car that is in the shop for free is still car that is out of service. Getting it fixed at no cost is the minimum I expect, but what I really want is to have no issues with the car at all. So I agree with Consumer reports. Also, it's a long term review, you can't recommend it just because they state they fixed it. You have to get a fixed car and test it for at least a year before you can change its rating, this the whole "long term review" thing.

DiabloD3 8y ago
Yeah, and if I buy a Ford, Toyota, GM, or Chrysler, its going to be in the shop more than a Tesla. I think its just more of this weird nonsensical anti-Tesla crap going on, one of which I thought CR was immune to. I guess I was wrong on that. You can't just change the goalposts because Tesla is the new upstart in an otherwise zombiefied industry. If Tesla has less cars per capita in the shop than other brands, and they get them in and out of the shop faster than other brands, you don't get to take away their recommendation.
- newen 8y ago
  If Tesla has few cars per capita in the shop but their cars are newer on average than other models, then that is not a fair comparison. And where did you get the data that Ford etc. is in the shop more often? And where did you get the idea that CR has different goal posts for Tesla? Also, just because Tesla claims they fixed their problems in manufacturing does not mean that those problems don't exist in the actual cars out there. And so what if it's covered by warranty; the problems are still there.
  - DiabloD3 8y ago
    That's an entirely fair comparison. Has CR ever yanked a recommendation before because of temporary manufacturing variances? I don't think they have. As no, it doesn't mean the problem vanished, but you should already know that when the car industry has problems in their cars, they don't fix them, and it often leads to deaths. OTOH, Tesla believed that an under-armored battery pack could lead to injury and proactively fixed it and also applied to fix (more armor) to all of the cars on the road. So, yes, it is an entirely fair comparison and there is goalpost moving happening all the time with Tesla. I just never expected CR to do it.
    - newen 8y ago
      You can't just say things and have it be true.

DiabloD3 8y ago

Yeah, and if I buy a Ford, Toyota, GM, or Chrysler, its going to be in the shop more than a Tesla. I think its just more of this weird nonsensical anti-Tesla crap going on, one of which I thought CR was immune to. I guess I was wrong on that. You can't just change the goalposts because Tesla is the new upstart in an otherwise zombiefied industry. If Tesla has less cars per capita in the shop than other brands, and they get them in and out of the shop faster than other brands, you don't get to take away their recommendation.

newen 8y ago
If Tesla has few cars per capita in the shop but their cars are newer on average than other models, then that is not a fair comparison. And where did you get the data that Ford etc. is in the shop more often? And where did you get the idea that CR has different goal posts for Tesla? Also, just because Tesla claims they fixed their problems in manufacturing does not mean that those problems don't exist in the actual cars out there. And so what if it's covered by warranty; the problems are still there.
- DiabloD3 8y ago
  That's an entirely fair comparison. Has CR ever yanked a recommendation before because of temporary manufacturing variances? I don't think they have. As no, it doesn't mean the problem vanished, but you should already know that when the car industry has problems in their cars, they don't fix them, and it often leads to deaths. OTOH, Tesla believed that an under-armored battery pack could lead to injury and proactively fixed it and also applied to fix (more armor) to all of the cars on the road. So, yes, it is an entirely fair comparison and there is goalpost moving happening all the time with Tesla. I just never expected CR to do it.
  - newen 8y ago
    You can't just say things and have it be true.