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I can trace my personal issues as a result of my parents experience to their parents experience in WW2 (Germany). My grandfather for example as a teenager had t

I can trace my personal issues as a result of my parents experience to their parents experience in WW2 (Germany). My grandfather for example as a teenager had to clear landmines as a prisoner of war. The damage from these experiences lasts for generations, like a ripple effect.

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btilly 8y ago
Anyone with a passing acquaintance of history knows that pretty much every family, from anywhere, will have a long history of trauma starting not very many generations ago. Looking around my office at people whose stories I know, I see sexually abused people, war refugees, children of war refugees, people who grew up under communism, someone who is coping with a degenerative illness (multiple sclerosis), and on and on and on. Yet these are all functional people, holding down professional jobs. The interesting part isn't that you can trace your problems back to trauma, but rather how you might some day manage to not have to. Because the more that people successfully do that, the better the world we can build for our mutual future.
- soganess 8y ago
  "Anyone with a passing acquaintance of history knows that pretty much every family, from anywhere, will have a long history of trauma starting not very many generations ago." This sidesteps the issue of scale and omnipresence. It's not limited to someone you hold kinship with, or you, or your direct parents, it's the very idea of you. There are few things that personal... and it happened to millions; it's that long "history of trauma" extended from kin to kind. I'm ethnically Armenian and I've seen children who've never been exposed to any of the gruesome photos, or even set foot in the country, burst out into tears on Red Sunday. The concentration of generational transference is on a different order of magnitude. From there, if you add the wrinkle of knowing what gruesomely and specifically happen to the people closest to you, experiencing trauma like it happened first hand becomes a much more understandable occurrence. TLDR: Large scale communal lose shift the starting point, personal trauma pushes things over the edge.
  - baumgarn 8y ago
    In a way it might also be knowledge that is passed on between generations. So my parents and grandparents passed on their deep seated insecurity that comes from their experience of war - but as history shows these extreme situations can return. Maybe my own anxiety might be a preparation for that. I like to think it has such a dimension. Experiences of past generations become part of the genetic markup for the future. Epigenetics is a keyword here.
hutzlibu 8y ago
Are you sure about that? Family history sure does have influence, but tracing (and blaming) personal issues to postgenerational trauma sounds like a cheap excuse. Unless you just use it to understand where you came from and move on from there. But I doubt focussing on historic traumas are helpful to overcome "issues".
- perfmode 8y ago
  understanding and accepting is empowering.
- andrei_says_ 8y ago
  Do you speak from personal experience or are you trying to correct the experience of others based on your mental image of how it should be?
  - pl1234 8y ago
    I think he speaks for anyone who understands basic human behavioral genetics.
  - hutzlibu 8y ago
    Both. I experienced too many people clinging to past unbill and using it as a excuse to not go forward. As I said, finding out about it, can be helpful, but not if it is focused too much. The OP reminded me of it, so I saw a pattern and replied to it.
- baumgarn 8y ago
  Epigenetics for example show that certain gene switches are passed on between generations. Rat mothers that experience anxiety pass this on to their offspring. There is this whole lecture on behavioral biology by Stanford Prof Robert Sapolsky which I highly recommend: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD7E21BF91F3F9683 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD7E21BF91F3F9683 Anyway I think having a clear understanding on where you are coming from, with acceptance, is a requirement for moving into the future with the best of your abilities.
pl1234 8y ago
How the fuck would your grandparents experiences "ripple down" to you. Did you even bother thinking about how the causation would happen? All of this research is obviously more bullshit zionist pseudoscience to excuse their crimes around the world and especially in palestine. They want to bring more attention back to the holocaust.
minipci1321 8y ago
> like a ripple effect. I like to visualize it as a shock wave, propagating in the future, hitting generations as it advances. I can very clearly see it on my family.

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btilly 8y ago

Anyone with a passing acquaintance of history knows that pretty much every family, from anywhere, will have a long history of trauma starting not very many generations ago. Looking around my office at people whose stories I know, I see sexually abused people, war refugees, children of war refugees, people who grew up under communism, someone who is coping with a degenerative illness (multiple sclerosis), and on and on and on. Yet these are all functional people, holding down professional jobs. The interesting part isn't that you can trace your problems back to trauma, but rather how you might some day manage to not have to. Because the more that people successfully do that, the better the world we can build for our mutual future.

soganess 8y ago
"Anyone with a passing acquaintance of history knows that pretty much every family, from anywhere, will have a long history of trauma starting not very many generations ago." This sidesteps the issue of scale and omnipresence. It's not limited to someone you hold kinship with, or you, or your direct parents, it's the very idea of you. There are few things that personal... and it happened to millions; it's that long "history of trauma" extended from kin to kind. I'm ethnically Armenian and I've seen children who've never been exposed to any of the gruesome photos, or even set foot in the country, burst out into tears on Red Sunday. The concentration of generational transference is on a different order of magnitude. From there, if you add the wrinkle of knowing what gruesomely and specifically happen to the people closest to you, experiencing trauma like it happened first hand becomes a much more understandable occurrence. TLDR: Large scale communal lose shift the starting point, personal trauma pushes things over the edge.
- baumgarn 8y ago
  In a way it might also be knowledge that is passed on between generations. So my parents and grandparents passed on their deep seated insecurity that comes from their experience of war - but as history shows these extreme situations can return. Maybe my own anxiety might be a preparation for that. I like to think it has such a dimension. Experiences of past generations become part of the genetic markup for the future. Epigenetics is a keyword here.

hutzlibu 8y ago

Are you sure about that? Family history sure does have influence, but tracing (and blaming) personal issues to postgenerational trauma sounds like a cheap excuse. Unless you just use it to understand where you came from and move on from there. But I doubt focussing on historic traumas are helpful to overcome "issues".

perfmode 8y ago
understanding and accepting is empowering.
andrei_says_ 8y ago
Do you speak from personal experience or are you trying to correct the experience of others based on your mental image of how it should be?
- pl1234 8y ago
  I think he speaks for anyone who understands basic human behavioral genetics.
- hutzlibu 8y ago
  Both. I experienced too many people clinging to past unbill and using it as a excuse to not go forward. As I said, finding out about it, can be helpful, but not if it is focused too much. The OP reminded me of it, so I saw a pattern and replied to it.
baumgarn 8y ago
Epigenetics for example show that certain gene switches are passed on between generations. Rat mothers that experience anxiety pass this on to their offspring. There is this whole lecture on behavioral biology by Stanford Prof Robert Sapolsky which I highly recommend: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD7E21BF91F3F9683 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD7E21BF91F3F9683 Anyway I think having a clear understanding on where you are coming from, with acceptance, is a requirement for moving into the future with the best of your abilities.

pl1234 8y ago

How the fuck would your grandparents experiences "ripple down" to you. Did you even bother thinking about how the causation would happen? All of this research is obviously more bullshit zionist pseudoscience to excuse their crimes around the world and especially in palestine. They want to bring more attention back to the holocaust.

minipci1321 8y ago

> like a ripple effect. I like to visualize it as a shock wave, propagating in the future, hitting generations as it advances. I can very clearly see it on my family.