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It sounds like you wanted a revolutionary open discourse, and are surprised that the discourse is full of revolutionaries. I really don't know how to fix the h

It sounds like you wanted a revolutionary open discourse, and are surprised that the discourse is full of revolutionaries. I really don't know how to fix the human empathy problem, though.

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seiferteric 8y ago
My problem is all of the throwing stones in glass houses, hypocrisy an self righteousness I see out there. It's so easy to attack something a public figure might have once said but no one is looking through the "attackers" entire history to see what they might have once said. I don't believe any real person has never said something they later regretted (or should regret) and would be embarrassed by if it came out. As you said, empathy is the problem. People need to be more forgiving ans understanding. Only when someone has established a record of being wrong/bad should they be "attacked" for it, otherwise it should be sufficient to respectfully point out why you think they are wrong and move on with your life.
- CM30 8y ago
  Well, I wouldn't exactly say no one is. Often, it ends up being revealed that the people attacking others for these culture war things are usually hiding some dark secrets of their own, or acting as hypocrites, and people have made quite a deal out of that. For example, the person whose video about questionable YouTube comments set off an advertiser backlash ended up getting involved in a bunch of stories themselves for making the exact same kind of content (as mentioned by Keemstar, Review Tech USA, etc). The GamerGate controversy had dozens of examples of people getting doxed or revealed as hypocrites, and certain entire forums exist pretty much to dig every bit of random people's personal backgrounds. You're right in that everyone has said something they regetted/should regret, and that people should be more forgiving and understanding, but it's not due to people not looking up the histories of the attackers. It's because everyone even remotely involved in a controversy will basically get doxed to hell and everything they've ever done or said used against them, accused and accuser alike.
  - yourbandsucks 8y ago
    The key thing about people going around attacking people on the internet is that they're really into attacking people. We could do with a lot more empathy from everyone. And I think it's fair in a certain way to get extra-annoyed at this type of behavior from those who preach inclusiveness. Like, at least the judgmental a-holes are consistent.
    - KozmoNau7 8y ago
      We could really use a lot more empathy and patience. Not just online. Everywhere in life.
ufmace 8y ago
I'd say that I'm not worried that the discourse is full of revolutionaries. I'm more concerned that the extremist tactics and justifications that the worst of them have used in the real world have carried over to the internet, and we get into the same old arms race where everyone has to copy the tactics of the worst actor out there, or get swamped by them. To truly have empathy for all is indeed a hard problem though.
eli_gottlieb 8y ago
>It sounds like you wanted a revolutionary open discourse, and are surprised that the discourse is full of revolutionaries. That sounds nicely quotable.

It sounds like you wanted a revolutionary open discourse, and are surprised that the discourse is full of revolutionaries. I really don't know how to fix the human empathy problem, though.

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seiferteric 8y ago

My problem is all of the throwing stones in glass houses, hypocrisy an self righteousness I see out there. It's so easy to attack something a public figure might have once said but no one is looking through the "attackers" entire history to see what they might have once said. I don't believe any real person has never said something they later regretted (or should regret) and would be embarrassed by if it came out. As you said, empathy is the problem. People need to be more forgiving ans understanding. Only when someone has established a record of being wrong/bad should they be "attacked" for it, otherwise it should be sufficient to respectfully point out why you think they are wrong and move on with your life.

CM30 8y ago
Well, I wouldn't exactly say no one is. Often, it ends up being revealed that the people attacking others for these culture war things are usually hiding some dark secrets of their own, or acting as hypocrites, and people have made quite a deal out of that. For example, the person whose video about questionable YouTube comments set off an advertiser backlash ended up getting involved in a bunch of stories themselves for making the exact same kind of content (as mentioned by Keemstar, Review Tech USA, etc). The GamerGate controversy had dozens of examples of people getting doxed or revealed as hypocrites, and certain entire forums exist pretty much to dig every bit of random people's personal backgrounds. You're right in that everyone has said something they regetted/should regret, and that people should be more forgiving and understanding, but it's not due to people not looking up the histories of the attackers. It's because everyone even remotely involved in a controversy will basically get doxed to hell and everything they've ever done or said used against them, accused and accuser alike.
- yourbandsucks 8y ago
  The key thing about people going around attacking people on the internet is that they're really into attacking people. We could do with a lot more empathy from everyone. And I think it's fair in a certain way to get extra-annoyed at this type of behavior from those who preach inclusiveness. Like, at least the judgmental a-holes are consistent.
  - KozmoNau7 8y ago
    We could really use a lot more empathy and patience. Not just online. Everywhere in life.

ufmace 8y ago

I'd say that I'm not worried that the discourse is full of revolutionaries. I'm more concerned that the extremist tactics and justifications that the worst of them have used in the real world have carried over to the internet, and we get into the same old arms race where everyone has to copy the tactics of the worst actor out there, or get swamped by them. To truly have empathy for all is indeed a hard problem though.

eli_gottlieb 8y ago

>It sounds like you wanted a revolutionary open discourse, and are surprised that the discourse is full of revolutionaries. That sounds nicely quotable.