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> I can pretty much guarantee that as long as everybody does cross-development, the platform won't be all that stable. Even if that's technically true, there's

> I can pretty much guarantee that as long as everybody does cross-development, the platform won't be all that stable. Even if that's technically true, there's no reason there can't be ARM workstations. There aren't many because they're still generally slower, but there's no fundamental reason (that I know of) why an ARM workstation can't work just as well as an x86 workstation in almost every case.

numbsafari 8y ago
Intel is already anticipating Apple moving to ARM for “desktop”. Chromebooks already run a mix. He’ll be right until he is wrong.
- cthalupa 8y ago
  He'll still be right, even then. His core argument is that until there are ARM computers that developers are working on in some real quantity, ARM in the server space has no chance. If that happens, then by his argument they now have a chance.
  - yoz-y 8y ago
    It seems that the title gives a different meaning to the words he actually said.
51lver 8y ago
Does your boss have a neice that can fix your arm bootloader? He probably has one that can fix your windows bootloader. This stuff was "dark arts" that we committed to muscle memory in the 90s, and no normal mere mortal will ever learn why the safe mode menu existed, how to hotkey into a boot selection menu, or to boot up a live disk to restore system files. None of that is possible with, say, u-boot. You need to know the kernel load addr, the partition layout, and a ton of crap that just isn't portable from one device to another, and that that's AFTER your done fighting the thing for root access! Arm workstations Just Won't Work the same way those super permissive x86 workstations did, and that will make them crap for developing on.
orojackson 8y ago
I mean, ARM is eating x86's lunch in the smartphone space. Are ARM CPUs more power efficient than x86 CPUs? That could be the deciding factor on whether it will take over.

numbsafari 8y ago

Intel is already anticipating Apple moving to ARM for “desktop”. Chromebooks already run a mix. He’ll be right until he is wrong.

cthalupa 8y ago
He'll still be right, even then. His core argument is that until there are ARM computers that developers are working on in some real quantity, ARM in the server space has no chance. If that happens, then by his argument they now have a chance.
- yoz-y 8y ago
  It seems that the title gives a different meaning to the words he actually said.

51lver 8y ago

Does your boss have a neice that can fix your arm bootloader? He probably has one that can fix your windows bootloader. This stuff was "dark arts" that we committed to muscle memory in the 90s, and no normal mere mortal will ever learn why the safe mode menu existed, how to hotkey into a boot selection menu, or to boot up a live disk to restore system files. None of that is possible with, say, u-boot. You need to know the kernel load addr, the partition layout, and a ton of crap that just isn't portable from one device to another, and that that's AFTER your done fighting the thing for root access! Arm workstations Just Won't Work the same way those super permissive x86 workstations did, and that will make them crap for developing on.

orojackson 8y ago

I mean, ARM is eating x86's lunch in the smartphone space. Are ARM CPUs more power efficient than x86 CPUs? That could be the deciding factor on whether it will take over.