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In the second case, couldn't Louis Vuitton also host the associated records itself? There are several concepts related to this in other areas: provenance, cata

by schoen 8y ago

In the second case, couldn't Louis Vuitton also host the associated records itself? There are several concepts related to this in other areas: provenance, catalogues raisonnés, serial numbers, title registries, pedigree registries, among others. People who make or who deal in rare or expensive things often adopt some of these mechanisms to help answer questions like: which one is this? is it genuine? who owns it? who used to own it? is it stolen? (There are lots of different threats, but some of these mechanisms help respond to each. Properly identifying and authenticating an individual object may be the hardest problem of all here—but that's potentially less of a database issue than the others.)

yarrel 8y ago
Unsurprisingly, catalogues raisonnes are a hotbed of legal activity and controversy. Many scholars will now not offer opinions on the authenticity of a work for fear of getting sued: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/20/arts/design/art-scholars-fear-lawsuits-in-declaring-works-real-or-fake.html https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/20/arts/design/art-scholars-... And works with supposedly excellent provenance still end up being repudiated by authentication committees: https://www.antiquestradegazette.com/news/2011/double-denied-the-dispute-that-closed-the-warhol-authentication-service/ https://www.antiquestradegazette.com/news/2011/double-denied... Due to the misaligned incentives in the art authentication world, I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that a blockchain would be a good way of tracking records in the artworld, particularly if artists register works directly on it.
- nosuchthing 8y ago
  https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2018/06/how-i-became-leonardo-da-vinci-on-the-blockchain/ https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2018/06/how-i-became-leonardo-da-vi... By putting your artwork on the "BitCoin Blockchain", Verisart will hand wavy magic increase the trust in art dealers and reduce fraud. That's a pretty neat idea. A distributed public ledger of who I have sold my art to. And, if they sell it, they have a cryptographically signed certificate proving its provenance. The seller can sign the certificate with their private key to say they've sold it to the new owner of a specific public key. Nifty! Except… and I hate to bring the art industry into disrepute… what if I sell a fake and keep the original in my Underground Vault? There's no way to permanently attach a digital certificate to a physical work of art. Incidentally, this is the problem with all the startups claiming the blockchain will revolutionise the integrity of global logistics markets. Sure, you can slap a QR code on a crate - but nothing stops an unscrupulous middle-man from replacing or adulterating the contents of the crate. Let's get back to Verisart's other issue. Proving that I am the creator or owner of a piece of artwork. Long story short, I convinced them that I painted the Mona Lisa.
philliphaydon 8y ago
In China there is a lot of issue with fake milk powder. You can now buy powder which contains a barcode in the container sealed at the factory that you can look up online to Ensure it came from the factory and not a 3rd party counterfeit. Blockchain adds exactly 0 value to this.

by schoen 8y ago

yarrel 8y ago

Unsurprisingly, catalogues raisonnes are a hotbed of legal activity and controversy. Many scholars will now not offer opinions on the authenticity of a work for fear of getting sued: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/20/arts/design/art-scholars-fear-lawsuits-in-declaring-works-real-or-fake.html https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/20/arts/design/art-scholars-... And works with supposedly excellent provenance still end up being repudiated by authentication committees: https://www.antiquestradegazette.com/news/2011/double-denied-the-dispute-that-closed-the-warhol-authentication-service/ https://www.antiquestradegazette.com/news/2011/double-denied... Due to the misaligned incentives in the art authentication world, I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that a blockchain would be a good way of tracking records in the artworld, particularly if artists register works directly on it.

nosuchthing 8y ago
https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2018/06/how-i-became-leonardo-da-vinci-on-the-blockchain/ https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2018/06/how-i-became-leonardo-da-vi... By putting your artwork on the "BitCoin Blockchain", Verisart will hand wavy magic increase the trust in art dealers and reduce fraud. That's a pretty neat idea. A distributed public ledger of who I have sold my art to. And, if they sell it, they have a cryptographically signed certificate proving its provenance. The seller can sign the certificate with their private key to say they've sold it to the new owner of a specific public key. Nifty! Except… and I hate to bring the art industry into disrepute… what if I sell a fake and keep the original in my Underground Vault? There's no way to permanently attach a digital certificate to a physical work of art. Incidentally, this is the problem with all the startups claiming the blockchain will revolutionise the integrity of global logistics markets. Sure, you can slap a QR code on a crate - but nothing stops an unscrupulous middle-man from replacing or adulterating the contents of the crate. Let's get back to Verisart's other issue. Proving that I am the creator or owner of a piece of artwork. Long story short, I convinced them that I painted the Mona Lisa.

philliphaydon 8y ago

In China there is a lot of issue with fake milk powder. You can now buy powder which contains a barcode in the container sealed at the factory that you can look up online to Ensure it came from the factory and not a 3rd party counterfeit. Blockchain adds exactly 0 value to this.