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A large issue with this is that like the DARPA ALIAS project[1], and another project which I do not have a reference to but saw a demonstration of last year whi

A large issue with this is that like the DARPA ALIAS project[1], and another project which I do not have a reference to but saw a demonstration of last year which made a traditional helicopter autonomous with just a bolt on avionics box, it is entirely possible to have "manned" systems that are made autonomous with a bolt on. This means that any country could develop autonomous warfare systems entirely in secret and then convert everything to unmanned overnight just before an attack. You can't see software. [1]: http://www.aurora.aero/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/ALIAS-Brochure_X8.pdf http://www.aurora.aero/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/ALIAS-Broc... Edit, found a reference for the autonomous helicopter: https://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=103769 https://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=103769

binarymax 8y ago
I don't understand your argument. Laws are created irregardless of the potential for illegal circumvention. Nobody ever decided "we shouldn't bother to outlaw theft because shoplifting is too easy". Creating the law provides the teeth to prosecute someone found to be breaking it.
- Datenstrom 8y ago
  Agreed, the threat I am concerned about is development and preparation of deployment in secret of these systems by a country in secret. If outlawed and other countries obey the laws, and a bad actor develops in secret and waits for the tech to become sufficiently advanced, they could launch a __very__ effective blitzkrieg. Unlike chemical/nuclear warfare, no factories, material transportation, etc. out of the ordinary observable by other countries. Sensors needed for the systems would be entirely justified for other reasons and software to change behavior can be loaded invisibly. There would be no way to police it.
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jacquesm 8y ago
Here it is in flight and a shot of the interior as well as the sensor array bolted onto the nose: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxfNChMNQyM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxfNChMNQyM

binarymax 8y ago

I don't understand your argument. Laws are created irregardless of the potential for illegal circumvention. Nobody ever decided "we shouldn't bother to outlaw theft because shoplifting is too easy". Creating the law provides the teeth to prosecute someone found to be breaking it.

Datenstrom 8y ago
Agreed, the threat I am concerned about is development and preparation of deployment in secret of these systems by a country in secret. If outlawed and other countries obey the laws, and a bad actor develops in secret and waits for the tech to become sufficiently advanced, they could launch a __very__ effective blitzkrieg. Unlike chemical/nuclear warfare, no factories, material transportation, etc. out of the ordinary observable by other countries. Sensors needed for the systems would be entirely justified for other reasons and software to change behavior can be loaded invisibly. There would be no way to police it.
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jacquesm 8y ago

Here it is in flight and a shot of the interior as well as the sensor array bolted onto the nose: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxfNChMNQyM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxfNChMNQyM