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> is still a half-locked platform... but that is still not a standards body Exactly. That's why I always stress the importance of the IETF. The whole point of
by zinid 8y ago
> is still a half-locked platform... but that is still not a standards body
Exactly. That's why I always stress the importance of the IETF. The whole point of the IETF is that you cooperate with people, deal with opposite opinions, accept criticism, come to agreement, develop a compromise and produce a high quality absurdly documented standard. In Matrix bubble (and any others, see cryptocurrency or p2p community for example) they are the only one who makes the decision. They don't care on other opinions. If you disagree with them you're asked to stop "fighting", "focus on interaction", "understand their goals" and other meaningless stuff like "let the best standard wins" (when in reality the whole point of the standard is to cooperate). Formally speaking they try to substitute a "standard document" with an "open document" and people kinda swallow this because they don't see the difference.
- Arathorn 8y agothis is categorically not true. > In Matrix bubble (and any others, see cryptocurrency or p2p community for example) they are the only one who makes the decision. They don't care on other opinions. You can see our governance model at https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/blob/matthew/msc1779/proposals/1779-open-governance.md https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/blob/matthew/msc177... and see that we do everything we can to ensure that the wider community can contribute to the spec and steer it in the right direction. And fwiw, we'd be perfectly happy to contribute the spec to IETF or W3C or whoever once it's relatively stable, just like XMPP did. Rather than burning all this energy spreading FUD about Matrix, perhaps it might be better spent improving XMPP? :/
- zinid 8y ago> Rather than burning all this energy spreading FUD about Matrix, perhaps it might be better spent improving XMPP? :/ Yeah, didn't I say above about such kind of arguments?
- zinid 8y ago> You can see our governance model at https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/blob/matthew/msc177.. https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/blob/matthew/msc177.... and see that we do everything we can to ensure that the wider community can contribute to the spec and steer it in the right direction... And fwiw, we'd be perfectly happy to contribute the spec to IETF or W3C or whoever once it's relatively stable, just like XMPP did. I'm not a lawyer to read such documents. Just "contribute" your core to the IETF, prove me wrong.
- cvwright 8y agoThat's when committees and standards bodies work well. When they don't, you get OAUTH2. https://hueniverse.com/oauth-2-0-and-the-road-to-hell-8eec45921529 https://hueniverse.com/oauth-2-0-and-the-road-to-hell-8eec45...