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I wish DNT was honoured, but it's as good as a "do not commit crime" sign.

by adtac 8y ago

spiderfarmer 8y ago
If honoring DNT was mandatory, the crime would be much easier to spot, compared to the current (EU) cookie law fiasco.
kpcyrd 8y ago
DNT should have been part of GDPR as explicit opt-out
- cpeterso 8y ago
  Or GDPR could allow users to send "DNT: 0" (aka "Do Track") to auto-accept all those GDPR cookie prompts. :)
dontbenebby 8y ago
> I wish DNT was honoured, but it's as good as a "do not commit crime" sign. I bet the ad industry wishes they'd played ball, now that browsers are baking tracking protection in.
maltalex 8y ago
It’s an Evil Bit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_bit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_bit
sp332 8y ago
DNT is practically defunct. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Not_Track#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Not_Track#History In January 2019 W3C Tracking Protection Working Group concluded work on Do Not Track standard citing "insufficient deployment of these extensions" and lack of "indications of planned support among user agents, third parties, and the ecosystem at large." In February 2019 Apple Safari 12.1 was released without support for DNT to avoid it being used as a "tracking variable."
- TheCraiggers 8y ago
  You can tell how bad the lack of support / teeth is when people start using the flag to not track them as an extra way of tracking people. That's extremely telling... but sadly not unexpected by many of us.
  - cpeterso 8y ago
    Should Mozilla remove the DNT header from Firefox like Apple did in Safari? When DNT does nothing except give trackers one more bit of fingerprint entropy, is there any value in users still allowing users to send DNT? "DNT: I am one of those people who does not want you to track even though I know you will."
    - sp332 8y ago
      I think it's fine since it's opt-in. Maybe there could be a warning in the UI though.
tomjen3 8y ago
There are millions of Do not Trespass signs out there, the difference is that they have some legal weight. Ten years ago it would have been a different matter, but it doesn't seem that far fetched to get do not track to be the legal equivalent of a "no" on those GDPR consent forms, but with no options for dark patterns and no way to re-query on every page load for those who opt-out.

I wish DNT was honoured, but it's as good as a "do not commit crime" sign.

by adtac 8y ago

I wish DNT was honoured, but it's as good as a "do not commit crime" sign.

spiderfarmer 8y ago

If honoring DNT was mandatory, the crime would be much easier to spot, compared to the current (EU) cookie law fiasco.

kpcyrd 8y ago

DNT should have been part of GDPR as explicit opt-out

cpeterso 8y ago
Or GDPR could allow users to send "DNT: 0" (aka "Do Track") to auto-accept all those GDPR cookie prompts. :)

dontbenebby 8y ago

> I wish DNT was honoured, but it's as good as a "do not commit crime" sign. I bet the ad industry wishes they'd played ball, now that browsers are baking tracking protection in.

maltalex 8y ago

It’s an Evil Bit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_bit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_bit

sp332 8y ago

DNT is practically defunct. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Not_Track#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Not_Track#History In January 2019 W3C Tracking Protection Working Group concluded work on Do Not Track standard citing "insufficient deployment of these extensions" and lack of "indications of planned support among user agents, third parties, and the ecosystem at large." In February 2019 Apple Safari 12.1 was released without support for DNT to avoid it being used as a "tracking variable."

TheCraiggers 8y ago
You can tell how bad the lack of support / teeth is when people start using the flag to not track them as an extra way of tracking people. That's extremely telling... but sadly not unexpected by many of us.
- cpeterso 8y ago
  Should Mozilla remove the DNT header from Firefox like Apple did in Safari? When DNT does nothing except give trackers one more bit of fingerprint entropy, is there any value in users still allowing users to send DNT? "DNT: I am one of those people who does not want you to track even though I know you will."
  - sp332 8y ago
    I think it's fine since it's opt-in. Maybe there could be a warning in the UI though.

tomjen3 8y ago

There are millions of Do not Trespass signs out there, the difference is that they have some legal weight. Ten years ago it would have been a different matter, but it doesn't seem that far fetched to get do not track to be the legal equivalent of a "no" on those GDPR consent forms, but with no options for dark patterns and no way to re-query on every page load for those who opt-out.