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> I'm not sure about that. If the main matrix server disappeared today that'd be problematic This ^^ Currently a large amount of users (I'm told around a half,

by zinid 8y ago

> I'm not sure about that. If the main matrix server disappeared today that'd be problematic This ^^ Currently a large amount of users (I'm told around a half, but I'm not sure) have matrix.org as their home server. So Matrix is effectively building a power-law network with all its drawbacks: when the "power node" of the network goes down the whole network falls apart.

pferde 8y ago
To be fair, this is somewhat inevitable in the initial stages, before a reasonable spec is released. Many people, like me, are just "sitting on the fence" and test-driving Matrix via their matrix.org server, until there are reasonable assurances that deploying our own Matrix server will come without too much hassle. After Synapse 1.0 is released (sometimes next month, IIRC), I'm definitely deploying my own homeserver, and federating it with the rest of the world.
- majewsky 8y ago
  FWIW, I've been running Synapse since 0.20 or so (for at least 2 years now), and there has never been a breaking change in the protocol as far as I'm aware. I had to read release notes at some points to get the upgrade to work, but it was mostly Python-library-related stuff IIRC.
omnimus 8y ago
Well they are making one big instance nothing else. Also unfortunately it means that you can't possibly federate with matrix.org. I've been running small otherwise perfectly functioning instance for few years for my circle/work as slack alternative on small vps. One time i did the amazing mistake of turning on federation with matrix.org. It immediately killed my servers performance especially when i joined some popular channel. The channels probably have more messages than my whole server combined. And it works the other way too - matrix.org is like sponge sucking other instances. I guess this is the real problem for me - i would love to federate but i can't possibly police or enforce what servers/channels are small enough that my users can join them.
- Arathorn 8y ago
  This isn’t anything to do with the size of the matrix.org server; just that synapse needs to be more resource efficient and we need to limit the sizes of rooms small servers try to join. we are doing both.

by zinid 8y ago

pferde 8y ago

To be fair, this is somewhat inevitable in the initial stages, before a reasonable spec is released. Many people, like me, are just "sitting on the fence" and test-driving Matrix via their matrix.org server, until there are reasonable assurances that deploying our own Matrix server will come without too much hassle. After Synapse 1.0 is released (sometimes next month, IIRC), I'm definitely deploying my own homeserver, and federating it with the rest of the world.

majewsky 8y ago
FWIW, I've been running Synapse since 0.20 or so (for at least 2 years now), and there has never been a breaking change in the protocol as far as I'm aware. I had to read release notes at some points to get the upgrade to work, but it was mostly Python-library-related stuff IIRC.

omnimus 8y ago

Well they are making one big instance nothing else. Also unfortunately it means that you can't possibly federate with matrix.org. I've been running small otherwise perfectly functioning instance for few years for my circle/work as slack alternative on small vps. One time i did the amazing mistake of turning on federation with matrix.org. It immediately killed my servers performance especially when i joined some popular channel. The channels probably have more messages than my whole server combined. And it works the other way too - matrix.org is like sponge sucking other instances. I guess this is the real problem for me - i would love to federate but i can't possibly police or enforce what servers/channels are small enough that my users can join them.

Arathorn 8y ago
This isn’t anything to do with the size of the matrix.org server; just that synapse needs to be more resource efficient and we need to limit the sizes of rooms small servers try to join. we are doing both.