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There is no magic to working 8 hours every day or any other number for that matter. Before the industrial revolution, most people were farmers. They got up at
by grellas 16y ago
There is no magic to working 8 hours every day or any other number for that matter.
Before the industrial revolution, most people were farmers. They got up at sunrise and typically worked long, hard days in the fields - workdays that were not circumscribed by any arbitrary time limit but rather defined by whatever it took to deal with the exigencies of each day.
The 8-hour day, as some sort of idealized goal, came about as a direct result of the industrial revolution. With people moving to cities and taking up factory work, reformers began to characterize such work situations as exploitative, particularly of children but also of adults in terms of length of hours worked in physically demanding situations. The answer for reformers lay in having governments prescribe maximum normative work periods, with anything in excess of the prescribed maximum being deemed extraordinary and warranting extraordinary compensation. Hence, in America, we eventually got the 8-hour day and the 40-hour week. (See, e.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-hour_day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-hour_day for an overview).
I don't think "corporate America" has any particular stake in the 8-hour day. If anything, employers would undoubtedly want to have the power to shape the work schedules of employees in more flexible ways, especially by being able to freely demand longer work hours at normal compensation as a condition of continued employment. Of course, this would require repeal of the wage-and-hour laws that today proscribe any such thing. My point, though, is that it is those laws and not any scheme by employers that keeps the 8-hour structure in place as the normative work environment.
Bottom line: given pure freedom of contract, people could work any schedules they want and, in fact do so (that is what it means to be in business for yourself); however, given the problems arising from pure freedom of contract, the law imposes rigid limits deemed beneficial from a societal perspective on what may be expected of employees. That, I believe (and, I don't think, any other major factor), is what requires most people to work 8-hour schedules as their normative workday, at least in the U.S.
On a final note: the typical startup environment is really a throwback to the freedom of farming days because, in the earliest stages, there basically are no formal employees but rather just founders working round-the-clock like madmen for what might often be described as "below dirt wages," and, in later stages, there are large numbers of "exempt" engineers who are not subject to the overtime rules and hence who are also working insane hours - thus, not too many 8-hour days in your prototypical startup. I don't think most of the participants regard this as exploitation, probably because most of it is self-driven, i.e., most such people want to drive themselves hard in order to succeed.
- jseliger 16y agoBefore the industrial revolution, most people were farmers. And before they were farmers, most people were hunter-gatherers, whose work estimates range widely as measured by anthropologists and others; some may have "worked" in the sense we think of it in the neighborhood of four hours a day. (I don't have a great citation on it, but I know I've read variations on it before, perhaps in Napoleon Chagnon's work or Robert Wright's The Moral Animal). Still, "workdays that were not circumscribed by any arbitrary time limit but rather defined by whatever it took to deal with the exigencies of each day" is still true. Note that many grad students and profs live similar lives -- they don't have much allocated time when they must teach, but they still have to get their work done.
- sili 16y agoOf course, this would require repeal of the wage-and-hour laws that today proscribe any such thing. I can only imagine the fight that unions would put up to any change of this kind, justified or not.
- nostromo 16y agoGreat comment. One thing I'd point out however -- you make farming sound like the hardest job one could have. Perhaps it is durring the summer. However, many northern famers used to 'hibernate' all winter. Here's a great description of the phenomenon: > In 1900, The British Medical Journal reported that peasants of the Pskov region in northwestern Russia “adopt the economical expedient” of spending one-half of the year in sleep: “At the first fall of snow the whole family gathers round the stove, lies down, ceases to wrestle with the problems of human existence, and quietly goes to sleep. Once a day every one wakes up to eat a piece of hard bread. ... The members of the family take it in turn to watch and keep the fire alight. After six months of this reposeful existence the family wakes up, shakes itself” and “goes out to see if the grass is growing.” http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/25/opinion/25robb.html http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/25/opinion/25robb.html
- travisjeffery 16y agoThat may have happened and have been possible in 1900, but I grew up in a farming family and there is no way any farming people who wish to be profitable and have a good business do this today. Today it's more like you have a job for year round income like hardwood flooring or whatever and then in the Summer you have 2 jobs: whatever job you have year round and then your additional farming work.