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What's the big deal, though? Its not like these devices are in your home -- they are in a public space that is well known to be heavily surveiled. So I guess,

by mcrae 8y ago

What's the big deal, though? Its not like these devices are in your home -- they are in a public space that is well known to be heavily surveiled. So I guess, even in the worst case scenario where these cameras were recording you, what is so different from the other 500x camera FOVs you step into during your journey? What am I missing?

bobthepanda 8y ago
An airport is a public space. A plane seat is semi-private or at least has always had that expectation. And given that it was placed there by the people owning the plane, it is well within the bounds of what passengers can expect to demand changed by said owners.
- xfitm3 8y ago
  I will never understand this mentality.
  - bobthepanda 8y ago
    Understand what? That public vs. private is a spectrum and not a black and white area? Or that consumers can discover they don't like something about the product they're using and demand changes?
- kelnos 8y ago
  > A plane seat is semi-private or at least has always had that expectation. Really? I've never had that expectation. I consider it the same as sitting on a seat on a public transit bus or subway train. I still think the airline should disclose when and how they're recording me, but an expectation of privacy? Nah.
  - nacs 8y ago
    So when you're sitting next to your significant other and talking about personal issues, you have no problem with being audio/video recorded? Most people expect some level of privacy when sitting at their seat. This is not a general/overview cabin camera, this is literally a foot in front of you and pointed directly at your face.
    - kelnos 8y ago
      For topics that I wouldn't like recorded, I don't speak about them on a plane. I don't think I'm abnormal in not thinking of a plane seat as a private place, and disagree with your assertion that "most people" do.
- mcrae 8y ago
  Not sure I agree re: the seat being semi-private. Surely it must be expected that there is surveillance in general on airplanes? As there is in any other public transportation (train, subway, taxi, etc..) I guess the whole controversy seems very knee-jerk and out of touch with the existing level of monitoring already on board the plane and in the airport.
  - bobthepanda 8y ago
    There is some cabin-wide or train-wide surveillance, sure. But there isn't a camera inches from your head pointed directly at your face, covering your entire seat in its FOV. You might reasonably expect a bouncer or a security guard at a concert to be overlooking a crowd. You wouldn't expect one assigned specifically to you breathing in front of your face.
refurb 8y ago
I'm of the same mind. I never considered being on a plane a private space, any more than being on a subway or bus. In terms of corporate espionage, our security tells us to never work on sensitive documents while on a plane as it's considered a "public space".

by mcrae 8y ago

bobthepanda 8y ago

An airport is a public space. A plane seat is semi-private or at least has always had that expectation. And given that it was placed there by the people owning the plane, it is well within the bounds of what passengers can expect to demand changed by said owners.

xfitm3 8y ago
I will never understand this mentality.
- bobthepanda 8y ago
  Understand what? That public vs. private is a spectrum and not a black and white area? Or that consumers can discover they don't like something about the product they're using and demand changes?
kelnos 8y ago
> A plane seat is semi-private or at least has always had that expectation. Really? I've never had that expectation. I consider it the same as sitting on a seat on a public transit bus or subway train. I still think the airline should disclose when and how they're recording me, but an expectation of privacy? Nah.
- nacs 8y ago
  So when you're sitting next to your significant other and talking about personal issues, you have no problem with being audio/video recorded? Most people expect some level of privacy when sitting at their seat. This is not a general/overview cabin camera, this is literally a foot in front of you and pointed directly at your face.
  - kelnos 8y ago
    For topics that I wouldn't like recorded, I don't speak about them on a plane. I don't think I'm abnormal in not thinking of a plane seat as a private place, and disagree with your assertion that "most people" do.
mcrae 8y ago
Not sure I agree re: the seat being semi-private. Surely it must be expected that there is surveillance in general on airplanes? As there is in any other public transportation (train, subway, taxi, etc..) I guess the whole controversy seems very knee-jerk and out of touch with the existing level of monitoring already on board the plane and in the airport.
- bobthepanda 8y ago
  There is some cabin-wide or train-wide surveillance, sure. But there isn't a camera inches from your head pointed directly at your face, covering your entire seat in its FOV. You might reasonably expect a bouncer or a security guard at a concert to be overlooking a crowd. You wouldn't expect one assigned specifically to you breathing in front of your face.

refurb 8y ago

I'm of the same mind. I never considered being on a plane a private space, any more than being on a subway or bus. In terms of corporate espionage, our security tells us to never work on sensitive documents while on a plane as it's considered a "public space".