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Based on some quick ducking (as opposed to googling), you are correct, 100-200 does appear to be the daily SMTP relay limit. I wonder if Google would raise that

by smush 8y ago

Based on some quick ducking (as opposed to googling), you are correct, 100-200 does appear to be the daily SMTP relay limit. I wonder if Google would raise that to, say, 500-1000 if Delta.chat started having a sizeable user market share?

jolmg 8y ago
"Sizeable" as in bigger than Google? Yeah, I guess so. Otherwise, I don't think it would care or it would make changes to Gmail's interface to try to make Delta.chat pointless for their Gmail users.
iaabtpbtpnn 8y ago
Oh wow, a reason to ever actually mean to use the word "ducking"! I guess my phone was on to something...
jchw 8y ago
My first instinct is it would likely be a hard fight. The limit is obviously a matter of preventing abuse, and changing it might change the dynamics for malicious parties or otherwise make mitigating abuse harder. This is probably an issue for most free email providers. This is still a conceptually cool idea for many reasons, but for this and other practical reasons it may end up being preferable to use it with another email provider. Especially since I personally think JMAP is intriguing and this might be useful for Delta Chat. I do worry that without good support for Google accounts and maybe even some other major free email providers (important: I really don't know,) Delta chat may face practical issues with gaining critical mass. (Just for full disclosure and good practice, I am an employee at Google, but I do not work on Gmail and I'm speaking strictly as a user.)
- smush 8y ago
  I tend to agree with your point as shown. Every inch given to 'worthy causes' like Delta.chat can come with the cost of unscrupulous types like scammers/spammers. I don't really expect Gmail to bend over backwards to accommodate this. Like you though, I worry that this could inhibit Delta.chat getting enough critical mass. On the other hand, if delta.chat starts to collect some critical mass, Gmail would probably want to avoid the generation of a pro-tip like "don't use Gmail, they're too restrictive, use Fastmail/iCloud/Outlook instead" because that could cost market share...or they can increase that limit a bit and keep the status quo going well. Full disclosure -> I am not a Google employee, but thank you for providing the caveat for your comment! Those tend to help comments be read in a more meaningful light, speaking for myself at least :D

by smush 8y ago

jolmg 8y ago

"Sizeable" as in bigger than Google? Yeah, I guess so. Otherwise, I don't think it would care or it would make changes to Gmail's interface to try to make Delta.chat pointless for their Gmail users.

iaabtpbtpnn 8y ago

Oh wow, a reason to ever actually mean to use the word "ducking"! I guess my phone was on to something...

jchw 8y ago

My first instinct is it would likely be a hard fight. The limit is obviously a matter of preventing abuse, and changing it might change the dynamics for malicious parties or otherwise make mitigating abuse harder. This is probably an issue for most free email providers. This is still a conceptually cool idea for many reasons, but for this and other practical reasons it may end up being preferable to use it with another email provider. Especially since I personally think JMAP is intriguing and this might be useful for Delta Chat. I do worry that without good support for Google accounts and maybe even some other major free email providers (important: I really don't know,) Delta chat may face practical issues with gaining critical mass. (Just for full disclosure and good practice, I am an employee at Google, but I do not work on Gmail and I'm speaking strictly as a user.)

smush 8y ago
I tend to agree with your point as shown. Every inch given to 'worthy causes' like Delta.chat can come with the cost of unscrupulous types like scammers/spammers. I don't really expect Gmail to bend over backwards to accommodate this. Like you though, I worry that this could inhibit Delta.chat getting enough critical mass. On the other hand, if delta.chat starts to collect some critical mass, Gmail would probably want to avoid the generation of a pro-tip like "don't use Gmail, they're too restrictive, use Fastmail/iCloud/Outlook instead" because that could cost market share...or they can increase that limit a bit and keep the status quo going well. Full disclosure -> I am not a Google employee, but thank you for providing the caveat for your comment! Those tend to help comments be read in a more meaningful light, speaking for myself at least :D