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??? How does any of that stop the data mining? It's the data mining and the ad targeting that people want to stop. And the FB competitors could be mining data

??? How does any of that stop the data mining? It's the data mining and the ad targeting that people want to stop. And the FB competitors could be mining data just as easily as FB can.

munk-a 8y ago
It doesn't directly stop the data mining, it stops the profitability of allowing that data mining to the social network... and making that data mining less profitable reduces the value of allowing that to the network host. If people can jump ship they'll slowly migrate to ad free platforms, then we can attack the issue of data-mining with regulations at the government level to force a cessation of private data collection.
- bilbo0s 8y ago
  >If people can jump ship they'll slowly migrate to ad free platforms... Here's the problem, ad free, does not mean mining free. These other platforms could still be mining your data with you none the wiser. In fact, it's a virtual certainty that they would, at minimum, for law enforcement purposes. (Which would entail stifling dissent in certain nations.) One of the only ways to cut down on mining is to make it explicitly illegal. And again, even then there will be exceptions carved out by congress. But that would at least provide most people a bit of privacy in their personal data just as HIPPA provides us a bit of privacy in our health data.
  - munk-a 8y ago
    Again, I absolutely don't disagree with you. I'm just putting on my project management hat and saying "We've got two problems, one is hard and will fix everything, the other is easy and will fix 95% of the stuff, let's do the easy one first" I'm all for GDPR like protections (but ideally a bit better thought out) in the US, but given the entrenchment of these social media networks I think it'd be hard to pull off politically. Zuckerberg has yet to try and mobilize facebook for a political end, when he tries it I hope it backfires and he ends up shooting himself in the foot, but it may work. Attempting to make data mining and resale may unleash a torrent of angry voters that rally against anyone associated with pushing it forward and get them voted out of office - or cowe them into submission. Either way I think the best first step is to force the platform open and deride the network effect that facebook currently controls, then let them lose power and enact stricter privacy laws when the public is ready for them. If I were King of America though, I'd totally just go your route.

??? How does any of that stop the data mining? It's the data mining and the ad targeting that people want to stop. And the FB competitors could be mining data just as easily as FB can.

munk-a 8y ago

It doesn't directly stop the data mining, it stops the profitability of allowing that data mining to the social network... and making that data mining less profitable reduces the value of allowing that to the network host. If people can jump ship they'll slowly migrate to ad free platforms, then we can attack the issue of data-mining with regulations at the government level to force a cessation of private data collection.

bilbo0s 8y ago
>If people can jump ship they'll slowly migrate to ad free platforms... Here's the problem, ad free, does not mean mining free. These other platforms could still be mining your data with you none the wiser. In fact, it's a virtual certainty that they would, at minimum, for law enforcement purposes. (Which would entail stifling dissent in certain nations.) One of the only ways to cut down on mining is to make it explicitly illegal. And again, even then there will be exceptions carved out by congress. But that would at least provide most people a bit of privacy in their personal data just as HIPPA provides us a bit of privacy in our health data.
- munk-a 8y ago
  Again, I absolutely don't disagree with you. I'm just putting on my project management hat and saying "We've got two problems, one is hard and will fix everything, the other is easy and will fix 95% of the stuff, let's do the easy one first" I'm all for GDPR like protections (but ideally a bit better thought out) in the US, but given the entrenchment of these social media networks I think it'd be hard to pull off politically. Zuckerberg has yet to try and mobilize facebook for a political end, when he tries it I hope it backfires and he ends up shooting himself in the foot, but it may work. Attempting to make data mining and resale may unleash a torrent of angry voters that rally against anyone associated with pushing it forward and get them voted out of office - or cowe them into submission. Either way I think the best first step is to force the platform open and deride the network effect that facebook currently controls, then let them lose power and enact stricter privacy laws when the public is ready for them. If I were King of America though, I'd totally just go your route.