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From the previous discussion, it seems like Idera's mode of operation is stopping active development on the product, and maintaining it more or less as-is as lo

by dtech 8y ago

From the previous discussion, it seems like Idera's mode of operation is stopping active development on the product, and maintaining it more or less as-is as long as there are people using it. Then it's not necessary to reduce tech debt.

bluedino 8y ago
This same pattern happens with 'dying' ERP software. The users aren't going anywwhere, unless you for ce them. It takes years and millions of dollars to switch ERP platoforms. Buy the company for...what a year or two (or even less) worth of contracts equals. Fire all the developers. Keep a skeleton support staff. Fire sales/marketing. In-house everything else. Then just keep getting paid by customners until they all finally go away.
- wil421 8y ago
  You forgot the last step. Once you finally collapse, sell all source code and licenses to use the software to the last remaining customers.
- gm3dmo 8y ago
  But Travis is the choice of well weapon DevOps people, they will be able to swap out to a new CI in 10 seconds flat. Hell, a dingbat like me could probably do it in a day. An ERP system, not so much.
  - pietroalbini 8y ago
    Depends on the complexity of your CI. Big projects might take days to migrate, or even more.
  - tomc1985 8y ago
    Last company I was at, our ERP transition took years
- rleigh 8y ago
  Swapping out Travis for something else takes a few minutes. If you have a lot of repositories and very complicated scripts, it might take a day or so. But ultimately, the lock-in for CI solutions is minimal. The effort to migrate is very small. Over the last few years, I've transitioned projects between Jenkins, Travis, AppVeyor, CircleCI, GitLab and others. In most cases, the logic had mostly been factored out in to shell scripts and batch files. Telling one CI system to set up the build/test environment and run that script is pretty much the same as any other. And this might be the reason why this layoff has happened. What future did Travis have as a business? What was its growth potential? How many paying customers did it have? When everything you offer is done better, often for free, by your competitors and customers can easily set up their own self-hosted replacement if they choose, I'm a bit skeptical that the business was worth that much in the first place.

by dtech 8y ago

bluedino 8y ago

This same pattern happens with 'dying' ERP software. The users aren't going anywwhere, unless you for ce them. It takes years and millions of dollars to switch ERP platoforms. Buy the company for...what a year or two (or even less) worth of contracts equals. Fire all the developers. Keep a skeleton support staff. Fire sales/marketing. In-house everything else. Then just keep getting paid by customners until they all finally go away.

wil421 8y ago
You forgot the last step. Once you finally collapse, sell all source code and licenses to use the software to the last remaining customers.
gm3dmo 8y ago
But Travis is the choice of well weapon DevOps people, they will be able to swap out to a new CI in 10 seconds flat. Hell, a dingbat like me could probably do it in a day. An ERP system, not so much.
- pietroalbini 8y ago
  Depends on the complexity of your CI. Big projects might take days to migrate, or even more.
- tomc1985 8y ago
  Last company I was at, our ERP transition took years
rleigh 8y ago
Swapping out Travis for something else takes a few minutes. If you have a lot of repositories and very complicated scripts, it might take a day or so. But ultimately, the lock-in for CI solutions is minimal. The effort to migrate is very small. Over the last few years, I've transitioned projects between Jenkins, Travis, AppVeyor, CircleCI, GitLab and others. In most cases, the logic had mostly been factored out in to shell scripts and batch files. Telling one CI system to set up the build/test environment and run that script is pretty much the same as any other. And this might be the reason why this layoff has happened. What future did Travis have as a business? What was its growth potential? How many paying customers did it have? When everything you offer is done better, often for free, by your competitors and customers can easily set up their own self-hosted replacement if they choose, I'm a bit skeptical that the business was worth that much in the first place.