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Interestingly, now that neoliberal is being used as a slur, there's a rising movement reclaiming the term and offering policies that solve a lot of the issues e

Interestingly, now that neoliberal is being used as a slur, there's a rising movement reclaiming the term and offering policies that solve a lot of the issues earlier neoliberals went wrong with. Here's one site: https://neoliberalproject.org https://neoliberalproject.org Also see: https://niskanencenter.org https://niskanencenter.org My interactions with these folks have found them very reasonable. They're kind of like reformed libertarians who've learned that we need social safety nets, etc., but still believe more in markets than standard Democrats do.

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wwweston 8y ago
Even with a growing number of Democrats willing to identify as socialists (or even leftists) rather than liberals... I haven't yet made the acquaintance of one that doesn't believe in the wide power of a market economy. There's just lots that also believe there are some areas where markets are sub-optimal to wrong because (a) a commons is more efficient and/or (b) it's difficult to impossible to line up incentives correctly and/or (c) there are values in play that supersede market activity. (None of these beliefs are necessarily unique to Democrats, either -- lots of people would believe that public transportation infrastructure greases the wheels of private activity, that insurance incentives are different than other goods/services, or that assassination markets might not really be a good thing)
- licebmi__at__ 8y ago
  Maybe that's a notable fact because markets are equivocally equated with capitalism. Mutualism[1] is also a socialist economic theory and is a form of market socialism[2] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutualism_(economic_theory) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutualism_(economic_theory) [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_socialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_socialism
- nickpinkston 8y ago
  Yea, I think you're right that most people believe in regulated markets, but the question is how to regulate them. A lot of ideas on the Left have government paying for and executing public services (single pay healthcare, etc.), which can work some times, but can be subject to lack of accountability and poor efficiency. These next-gen neoliberals are more likely to recommend public-private partnerships of various kinds where the government is paying / overseeing the execution by competitive private entities.

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wwweston 8y ago

Even with a growing number of Democrats willing to identify as socialists (or even leftists) rather than liberals... I haven't yet made the acquaintance of one that doesn't believe in the wide power of a market economy. There's just lots that also believe there are some areas where markets are sub-optimal to wrong because (a) a commons is more efficient and/or (b) it's difficult to impossible to line up incentives correctly and/or (c) there are values in play that supersede market activity. (None of these beliefs are necessarily unique to Democrats, either -- lots of people would believe that public transportation infrastructure greases the wheels of private activity, that insurance incentives are different than other goods/services, or that assassination markets might not really be a good thing)

licebmi__at__ 8y ago
Maybe that's a notable fact because markets are equivocally equated with capitalism. Mutualism[1] is also a socialist economic theory and is a form of market socialism[2] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutualism_(economic_theory) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutualism_(economic_theory) [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_socialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_socialism
nickpinkston 8y ago
Yea, I think you're right that most people believe in regulated markets, but the question is how to regulate them. A lot of ideas on the Left have government paying for and executing public services (single pay healthcare, etc.), which can work some times, but can be subject to lack of accountability and poor efficiency. These next-gen neoliberals are more likely to recommend public-private partnerships of various kinds where the government is paying / overseeing the execution by competitive private entities.