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It's also really ugly.

by leadingthenet 8y ago

raister 8y ago
Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.
- yason 8y ago
  If that was true then it wouldn't matter what buildings look like at all.
- iceninenines 8y ago
  Beer includes free goggles.
rcMgD2BwE72F 8y ago
No: you find it ugly, but that's just your opinion.
- leadingthenet 8y ago
  Really? If there's no such thing as objective beauty measures, then please explain to me why European cities with predominantly traditional architecture have vastly higher numbers of tourists than European cities with predominantly modern architecture. You can't argue it's due to lack of history, or culture, or any other measure, as Europe is vast and diverse, and you can control for all of those other variables. There's weirdos who actually enjoy Brutalist architecture. But the vast majority of us clearly do not. That by itself should give you a hint that there is such a thing as "more beautiful" and "less beautiful".
  - jdavis703 8y ago
    I personally find most historical buildings unattractive... but I still enjoy visiting historical cities because of the culture and history they’ve built up over the years. I also find a few brutalist buildings attractive. My soft spot for brutalism probably comes because as a kid I played on a brutalist playground, so it kind of just feels like the “natural order” of things to me, whereas someone who grew up around a different set of architecture might feel more at home in their “natural habitat.”
    - leadingthenet 8y ago
      I just said that there ARE people who enjoy brutalist architecture. Just not the majority of us. If it were otherwise, Moldova would be overflowing with tourists. As it stands, it's by far the least visited country on the planet. Sure, there are other reasons for that as well (political, cultural, economic), but to fight me on this point is ludicrous, in my opinion. Do the vast majority of people go to Moscow to visit the Kremlin, or do they go to visit a random Brutalist neighbourhood. You and I both know that most tourists just don't do that. Why? Because they find it unattractive. Therefore, people do make value judgements about beauty, and when a vast number of them say something is beautiful, and something else is ugly, I'd say there's objective data to be extracted from that.

It's also really ugly.

raister 8y ago

Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.

yason 8y ago
If that was true then it wouldn't matter what buildings look like at all.
iceninenines 8y ago
Beer includes free goggles.

rcMgD2BwE72F 8y ago

No: you find it ugly, but that's just your opinion.

leadingthenet 8y ago
Really? If there's no such thing as objective beauty measures, then please explain to me why European cities with predominantly traditional architecture have vastly higher numbers of tourists than European cities with predominantly modern architecture. You can't argue it's due to lack of history, or culture, or any other measure, as Europe is vast and diverse, and you can control for all of those other variables. There's weirdos who actually enjoy Brutalist architecture. But the vast majority of us clearly do not. That by itself should give you a hint that there is such a thing as "more beautiful" and "less beautiful".
- jdavis703 8y ago
  I personally find most historical buildings unattractive... but I still enjoy visiting historical cities because of the culture and history they’ve built up over the years. I also find a few brutalist buildings attractive. My soft spot for brutalism probably comes because as a kid I played on a brutalist playground, so it kind of just feels like the “natural order” of things to me, whereas someone who grew up around a different set of architecture might feel more at home in their “natural habitat.”
  - leadingthenet 8y ago
    I just said that there ARE people who enjoy brutalist architecture. Just not the majority of us. If it were otherwise, Moldova would be overflowing with tourists. As it stands, it's by far the least visited country on the planet. Sure, there are other reasons for that as well (political, cultural, economic), but to fight me on this point is ludicrous, in my opinion. Do the vast majority of people go to Moscow to visit the Kremlin, or do they go to visit a random Brutalist neighbourhood. You and I both know that most tourists just don't do that. Why? Because they find it unattractive. Therefore, people do make value judgements about beauty, and when a vast number of them say something is beautiful, and something else is ugly, I'd say there's objective data to be extracted from that.