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Please do not do #2. Rather, unknown destinations need to remain unknown. (by this, I mean secret trails, waterfalls, beaches, etc). I think locals should take

by titzer 8y ago

Please do not do #2. Rather, unknown destinations need to remain unknown. (by this, I mean secret trails, waterfalls, beaches, etc). I think locals should take steps to protect them, including removing trail markers and trash, and refusing to talk about them. Erase trip reports from the internet, and actively fight to keep them secret and protected. Problem is, any possible "cool thing" is economically exploitable--and the economy absolutely will exploit it in the end. For #1, you realize that the same problem applies right? Economic incentives are all completely against this.

hyperbovine 8y ago
Security through obscurity, feels like it has been tried before...
- alex_duf 8y ago
  In this very case that might be enough to delay damage a bit
jlg23 8y ago
For #2, you realize that the same problem applies, right? Locals in poor areas will always prefer a few years of selling out to tourists to long term sustainability: kids need education now, you want to rainproof your house now or in essence: you want to better your life now. For them, there is not a single incentive to follow your advice.
lmm 8y ago
> Problem is, any possible "cool thing" is economically exploitable--and the economy absolutely will exploit it in the end. "Economic exploitation" and "people enjoying the place" are the same thing. A beach with one person rather than 300 is great if you're that one person, but it sucks for the other 299. > For #1, you realize that the same problem applies right? Economic incentives are all completely against this. Not convinced. People are willing to pay a premium for a site in good condition, with enough space to explore, and exclusivity is a bonus in some circles. If you jack the price up by a factor of 10 (which may sound ridiculous, but look at the price of Everest climbing permits) and only 1/5th as many people come, that's a profit for you and fewer people coming.
apostacy 8y ago
I agree, there are more than enough people to just make the less well known places overcrowded.

by titzer 8y ago

hyperbovine 8y ago

Security through obscurity, feels like it has been tried before...

alex_duf 8y ago
In this very case that might be enough to delay damage a bit

jlg23 8y ago

For #2, you realize that the same problem applies, right? Locals in poor areas will always prefer a few years of selling out to tourists to long term sustainability: kids need education now, you want to rainproof your house now or in essence: you want to better your life now. For them, there is not a single incentive to follow your advice.

lmm 8y ago

> Problem is, any possible "cool thing" is economically exploitable--and the economy absolutely will exploit it in the end. "Economic exploitation" and "people enjoying the place" are the same thing. A beach with one person rather than 300 is great if you're that one person, but it sucks for the other 299. > For #1, you realize that the same problem applies right? Economic incentives are all completely against this. Not convinced. People are willing to pay a premium for a site in good condition, with enough space to explore, and exclusivity is a bonus in some circles. If you jack the price up by a factor of 10 (which may sound ridiculous, but look at the price of Everest climbing permits) and only 1/5th as many people come, that's a profit for you and fewer people coming.

apostacy 8y ago

I agree, there are more than enough people to just make the less well known places overcrowded.