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you've gone into ad hominem territory and are claiming to be a grown adult, i'll let you go about your business but trying to claim it's not quackery will get y

you've gone into ad hominem territory and are claiming to be a grown adult, i'll let you go about your business but trying to claim it's not quackery will get you shot down in any forum. linking your medical and mental condition breaks down very quickly

tomhoward 8y ago
There was no ad-hom. My point was that you're denying the judgements of grown adults about what is effective for them, and you haven't provided any insights with any expert backing but rather are just contemptuously arguing for adherence to what you consider to be mainstream orthodoxy. Recall that this whole subthread began with your mockery of a method developed by a mainstream-qualified doctor that has helped thousands of people over many years. The thing is, what you're arguing for is not even part of mainstream medical orthodoxy. Mainstream medical literature linking chronic muscle-tension and pain to mental health is plentiful, along with the effectiveness of mainstream psychiatric treatments like CBT, and less-mainstream-accepted practices like mindfulness and meditation. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4526658/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4526658/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3237294/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3237294/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4914381/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4914381/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3200134/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3200134/ https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/meditation-cognitive-behavioral-therapy-ease-low-back-pain https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/meditat... And here's a specific study on Sarno's technique: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2955480/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2955480/ I'm the first to concede that none of these studies are a home run. Human physiology is vastly complex and the factors leading to chronic illness and pain will inevitably be hard to isolate and different from one person to another. But the plentiful supply of both anecdotal and clinical evidence warrants far more open-minded consideration than you're allowing for with your contemptuous dismissals.

tomhoward 8y ago

There was no ad-hom. My point was that you're denying the judgements of grown adults about what is effective for them, and you haven't provided any insights with any expert backing but rather are just contemptuously arguing for adherence to what you consider to be mainstream orthodoxy. Recall that this whole subthread began with your mockery of a method developed by a mainstream-qualified doctor that has helped thousands of people over many years. The thing is, what you're arguing for is not even part of mainstream medical orthodoxy. Mainstream medical literature linking chronic muscle-tension and pain to mental health is plentiful, along with the effectiveness of mainstream psychiatric treatments like CBT, and less-mainstream-accepted practices like mindfulness and meditation. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4526658/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4526658/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3237294/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3237294/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4914381/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4914381/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3200134/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3200134/ https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/meditation-cognitive-behavioral-therapy-ease-low-back-pain https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/meditat... And here's a specific study on Sarno's technique: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2955480/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2955480/ I'm the first to concede that none of these studies are a home run. Human physiology is vastly complex and the factors leading to chronic illness and pain will inevitably be hard to isolate and different from one person to another. But the plentiful supply of both anecdotal and clinical evidence warrants far more open-minded consideration than you're allowing for with your contemptuous dismissals.