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Is there any evidence it was created in the US of A? Anyway, yes, you can disappear even if you're citizen of USA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_detain

by borism 16y ago

Is there any evidence it was created in the US of A? Anyway, yes, you can disappear even if you're citizen of USA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_detainees_at_Guantanamo_Bay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_detainees_at_Guantanam... and there are countries with even more lax standarts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Vanunu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Vanunu

berntb 16y ago
Irregular combatants aren't protected by anything. (And regular combatants can be jailed until the conflict is over, which seems to be never.) Democracies go crazy when they get terror problems and throw out the law books -- see e.g. Germany, Italy, Israel, GB and USA. (I assume that is because voters get upset and votes out politicians that seems to be soft.) Vanunu published maximum top secret information for a country with not only a terror problem, but an existential threat. Check Gerald Bull for what can happen -- or look what happened in Iran last year, when people complained about a stolen election and the Republican Guard felt threatened. Edit: Fixed grammar/clarity a little. What I really wanted to say was -- I don't want a job like that. First, security is theoretically interesting but painful to work with in practice. Second, the bureaucracy will be horrible. State jobs without transparency are horribly inefficient and boring. Think bad tasting coffee, no flex, etc. Edit 2: The nuclear capability was known, but not confirmed (still today, afaik). Also, if someone murders someone that is found out to have terminal cancer -- should they get a shorter punishment...? They must put pressure on Vanunu as a message to the next one talking too much; also game theory 101.
- borism 16y ago
  Vanunu just confirmed what was public secret, and Israel doesn't seem to be doing too badly after that. Game theory 101 - if you have Doomsday Device, let the World know about it! In fact there probably would have been less of a need for Stuxnet, were it not for Vanunu!
roel_v 16y ago
"Is there any evidence it was created in the US of A?" No, not that I know. Then again I don't know if the Russians, Israelis, Chinese or whoever wrote it make their engineers disappear, either (well maybe if they're also secretly plotting a revolt or something, I mean for working on these things). The others are not people who worked on secret things and were detained/killed/whatever for that fact alone, to cover up that they developed that. That's what I was saying.

by borism 16y ago

berntb 16y ago

Irregular combatants aren't protected by anything. (And regular combatants can be jailed until the conflict is over, which seems to be never.) Democracies go crazy when they get terror problems and throw out the law books -- see e.g. Germany, Italy, Israel, GB and USA. (I assume that is because voters get upset and votes out politicians that seems to be soft.) Vanunu published maximum top secret information for a country with not only a terror problem, but an existential threat. Check Gerald Bull for what can happen -- or look what happened in Iran last year, when people complained about a stolen election and the Republican Guard felt threatened. Edit: Fixed grammar/clarity a little. What I really wanted to say was -- I don't want a job like that. First, security is theoretically interesting but painful to work with in practice. Second, the bureaucracy will be horrible. State jobs without transparency are horribly inefficient and boring. Think bad tasting coffee, no flex, etc. Edit 2: The nuclear capability was known, but not confirmed (still today, afaik). Also, if someone murders someone that is found out to have terminal cancer -- should they get a shorter punishment...? They must put pressure on Vanunu as a message to the next one talking too much; also game theory 101.

borism 16y ago
Vanunu just confirmed what was public secret, and Israel doesn't seem to be doing too badly after that. Game theory 101 - if you have Doomsday Device, let the World know about it! In fact there probably would have been less of a need for Stuxnet, were it not for Vanunu!

roel_v 16y ago

"Is there any evidence it was created in the US of A?" No, not that I know. Then again I don't know if the Russians, Israelis, Chinese or whoever wrote it make their engineers disappear, either (well maybe if they're also secretly plotting a revolt or something, I mean for working on these things). The others are not people who worked on secret things and were detained/killed/whatever for that fact alone, to cover up that they developed that. That's what I was saying.