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>How about explicit language? Can you point to another piece of media, say something on the Disney Channel, where adding a few curse words would turn that prod

>How about explicit language? Can you point to another piece of media, say something on the Disney Channel, where adding a few curse words would turn that production from innocent children's entertainment into soft core pornography? If not why is that a unique feature to this particular video?

hackinthebochs 8y ago
Somehow I knew you weren't actually going to accept your own stated criteria.
- fuzz4lyfe 8y ago
  I'm just pointing out that you are engaging in special pleading[0] here. I've seen pornographic videos that did not have explicit language prior to the sexual acts taking place. In fact most of them are like that during the brief interludes of plot that justify the sex. Let me put it this was if I was an evil person and my goal was to create a legal facsimile of child pornography I don't know that I could do better than this video did at that stated goal. Perhaps legally it doesn't cross a line but can you honestly say that you'd leave your daughter in the care of the person who made this video to do the same? [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading
  - hackinthebochs 8y ago
    I don't see how anything I said was special pleading. You set up a challenge that purported to test whether this content was pornographic. I answered the challenge. It was a bad criteria from the start (as in the answer to the challenge was irrelevant), but I played along. > I don't know that I could do better than this video did at that stated goal. What is this supposed to establish? That creeps can get off on this video? Creeps get off on mundane things all the time. It establishes nothing. >Perhaps legally it doesn't cross a line but can you honestly say that you'd leave your daughter in the care of the person who made this video to do the same? Since the artists in the video are generally those creating it, sure. Presumably you mean would I leave my daughter in the care of someone who enjoyed such videos. If I knew them, sure. If I didn't know them, it wouldn't really add much information. It would slightly alter my prior against them, but that's not saying much. In the space of non-pornographic things that creeps would get off on, this video surely ranks higher than average. But this isn't an indictment of the content.

hackinthebochs 8y ago

Somehow I knew you weren't actually going to accept your own stated criteria.

fuzz4lyfe 8y ago
I'm just pointing out that you are engaging in special pleading[0] here. I've seen pornographic videos that did not have explicit language prior to the sexual acts taking place. In fact most of them are like that during the brief interludes of plot that justify the sex. Let me put it this was if I was an evil person and my goal was to create a legal facsimile of child pornography I don't know that I could do better than this video did at that stated goal. Perhaps legally it doesn't cross a line but can you honestly say that you'd leave your daughter in the care of the person who made this video to do the same? [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading
- hackinthebochs 8y ago
  I don't see how anything I said was special pleading. You set up a challenge that purported to test whether this content was pornographic. I answered the challenge. It was a bad criteria from the start (as in the answer to the challenge was irrelevant), but I played along. > I don't know that I could do better than this video did at that stated goal. What is this supposed to establish? That creeps can get off on this video? Creeps get off on mundane things all the time. It establishes nothing. >Perhaps legally it doesn't cross a line but can you honestly say that you'd leave your daughter in the care of the person who made this video to do the same? Since the artists in the video are generally those creating it, sure. Presumably you mean would I leave my daughter in the care of someone who enjoyed such videos. If I knew them, sure. If I didn't know them, it wouldn't really add much information. It would slightly alter my prior against them, but that's not saying much. In the space of non-pornographic things that creeps would get off on, this video surely ranks higher than average. But this isn't an indictment of the content.