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I don't have an answer. But what I can tell is that video I linked above... I'll give 99% probability easily, that this video was made for purpose, with sexual

I don't have an answer. But what I can tell is that video I linked above... I'll give 99% probability easily, that this video was made for purpose, with sexual context in mind, most probably by some adult person, not another kid, and it is not "just kid having fun", and it's not "family video". This is softcore erotica with 12-14 y.o. girl, and it was made to be a softcore erotica. There is literally zero other reasons to shoot video like this.

hackinthebochs 8y ago
If you don't know anything about ASMR you might think that. But that's pretty standard content in the ASMR-sphere. The only difference is that it's being made by a preteen.
- fuzz4lyfe 8y ago
  >If you don't know anything about porn you might think that. But that's pretty standard content in the porn-sphere. The only difference is that it's being made by a preteen. is also true.
  - hackinthebochs 8y ago
    Some loose similarities does not establish the sexual nature of these kind of videos.
    - fuzz4lyfe 8y ago
      >loose similarities Without sex or nudity, how do you purpose you'd make it more similar?
      - hackinthebochs 8y ago
        I'm not sure what you're asking. The argument was attempting to use a similarity to establish the pornographic nature of the content. My point was that a loose similarity doesn't prove his claim. Establishing a criteria for pornography is hard, but the usual metric seems relevant: designed to sexually arouse and otherwise devoid of value. But roleplay ASMR content presumably isn't designed to sexually arouse, and has other value for those who experience a physiological ASMR response from it.
        fuzz4lyfe 8y ago
        I can't think of a single element to add that would make it more similar to pornography without it being actual pornography. I believe that it is as similar as is possible, and getting so close cannot be accidental. I assert that if you can think of something that would make it more similar your premise that the similarity is loose may hold water, if not however it would seem that I'm correct and the similarly is uncanny.
        hackinthebochs 8y ago
        >I can't think of a single element to add How about explicit language? >and getting so close cannot be accidental Probably because sexual arousal and ASMR are both physiological responses.
        fuzz4lyfe 8y ago
        >How about explicit language? Can you point to another piece of media, say something on the Disney Channel, where adding a few curse words would turn that production from innocent children's entertainment into soft core pornography? If not why is that a unique feature to this particular video?
        hackinthebochs 8y ago
        Somehow I knew you weren't actually going to accept your own stated criteria.
        fuzz4lyfe 8y ago
        I'm just pointing out that you are engaging in special pleading[0] here. I've seen pornographic videos that did not have explicit language prior to the sexual acts taking place. In fact most of them are like that during the brief interludes of plot that justify the sex. Let me put it this was if I was an evil person and my goal was to create a legal facsimile of child pornography I don't know that I could do better than this video did at that stated goal. Perhaps legally it doesn't cross a line but can you honestly say that you'd leave your daughter in the care of the person who made this video to do the same? [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading
- darkpuma 8y ago
  > But that's pretty standard content in the ASMR-sphere. The "ASMR-sphere" is soft-core pornography in denial. "No you've got it all wrong, I watch it because it gives me a tingling feeling..." Yeah I'm sure it does.
  - hackinthebochs 8y ago
    Spoken like someone who doesn't experience the physiological ASMR response. As someone who does experience it, you're obviously speaking nonsense.
    - darkpuma 8y ago
      Even if this supposed physiological response exists, that doesn't make the content any less fundementally pornographic.
      - hackinthebochs 8y ago
        Now you're just resorting to begging the question.
        darkpuma 8y ago
        I'm not interested in engaging you with formal logic. I'm making a hard assertion. This content is pornographic in nature and anybody who enjoys watching children do it is a creep who should be segregated from the rest of society.

hackinthebochs 8y ago

If you don't know anything about ASMR you might think that. But that's pretty standard content in the ASMR-sphere. The only difference is that it's being made by a preteen.

fuzz4lyfe 8y ago
>If you don't know anything about porn you might think that. But that's pretty standard content in the porn-sphere. The only difference is that it's being made by a preteen. is also true.
- hackinthebochs 8y ago
  Some loose similarities does not establish the sexual nature of these kind of videos.
  - fuzz4lyfe 8y ago
    >loose similarities Without sex or nudity, how do you purpose you'd make it more similar?
    - hackinthebochs 8y ago
      I'm not sure what you're asking. The argument was attempting to use a similarity to establish the pornographic nature of the content. My point was that a loose similarity doesn't prove his claim. Establishing a criteria for pornography is hard, but the usual metric seems relevant: designed to sexually arouse and otherwise devoid of value. But roleplay ASMR content presumably isn't designed to sexually arouse, and has other value for those who experience a physiological ASMR response from it.
      - fuzz4lyfe 8y ago
        I can't think of a single element to add that would make it more similar to pornography without it being actual pornography. I believe that it is as similar as is possible, and getting so close cannot be accidental. I assert that if you can think of something that would make it more similar your premise that the similarity is loose may hold water, if not however it would seem that I'm correct and the similarly is uncanny.
        hackinthebochs 8y ago
        >I can't think of a single element to add How about explicit language? >and getting so close cannot be accidental Probably because sexual arousal and ASMR are both physiological responses.
        fuzz4lyfe 8y ago
        >How about explicit language? Can you point to another piece of media, say something on the Disney Channel, where adding a few curse words would turn that production from innocent children's entertainment into soft core pornography? If not why is that a unique feature to this particular video?
        hackinthebochs 8y ago
        Somehow I knew you weren't actually going to accept your own stated criteria.
        fuzz4lyfe 8y ago
        I'm just pointing out that you are engaging in special pleading[0] here. I've seen pornographic videos that did not have explicit language prior to the sexual acts taking place. In fact most of them are like that during the brief interludes of plot that justify the sex. Let me put it this was if I was an evil person and my goal was to create a legal facsimile of child pornography I don't know that I could do better than this video did at that stated goal. Perhaps legally it doesn't cross a line but can you honestly say that you'd leave your daughter in the care of the person who made this video to do the same? [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading
darkpuma 8y ago
> But that's pretty standard content in the ASMR-sphere. The "ASMR-sphere" is soft-core pornography in denial. "No you've got it all wrong, I watch it because it gives me a tingling feeling..." Yeah I'm sure it does.
- hackinthebochs 8y ago
  Spoken like someone who doesn't experience the physiological ASMR response. As someone who does experience it, you're obviously speaking nonsense.
  - darkpuma 8y ago
    Even if this supposed physiological response exists, that doesn't make the content any less fundementally pornographic.
    - hackinthebochs 8y ago
      Now you're just resorting to begging the question.
      - darkpuma 8y ago
        I'm not interested in engaging you with formal logic. I'm making a hard assertion. This content is pornographic in nature and anybody who enjoys watching children do it is a creep who should be segregated from the rest of society.