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Youtube is not facebook, and judging by the continued neglect of youtube's comment system I doubt their ability to add fine grained privacy control, especially

Youtube is not facebook, and judging by the continued neglect of youtube's comment system I doubt their ability to add fine grained privacy control, especially since they abandoned Google+ integration. This isn't a new problem as their comment subsystem has been a usability nightmare in years. When a comment thread geta to a certain length, following the conversation and pinging specific replies become increasingly difficult. The late John "Totalbiscuit" Bain had to turn off comment on all his videos and direct all discussions to Reddit, because once the comments start to get rowdy it's impossible to moderate.

AnaniasAnanas 8y ago
Both a usability nightmare and a sanity nightmare. The content of the comments there is about as bad as facebook's. To be honest if they removed the ability to comment then nothing of value would be lost.
- komali2 8y ago
  Comments on youtube are far far worse than on facebook, imo. Hit up any tow truck channel and you'll see overt, unhindered racism, for hundreds of comments.
  - alexis_fr 8y ago
    It’s just that you don’t agree with it. There is a big chiasm between censored internet (Facebook, newspapers) where everything is polished but only reflects 25% of the population, and free internet (the rest) where you get an actual image of diversity. It’s just that you don’t like this diversity and you want them not to exist, but their points are, if not correct, at least vastly unadressed because the visible society despises them. I defend men’s rights. All of MR forums are underground. They’re not happy, they’re unadressed and despised by society. And that’s 49% of population. Saying men’s rights are a non-issue which should not be adressed and deserves the censorship it has in the above-ground internet is, by nature, discriminatory towards men. It’s just an example, but you won’t be able to keep the pressure cooker very long.
    - komali2 8y ago
      I appreciate that you care deeply about this issue. I hope this means you are open to me challenging your points: >It’s just that you don’t agree with it. Correct, I don't agree that it's ok to refer to groups of people as "jobless apes," and I despise the mindset required to dehumanize like that. I find it disgusting. I also find it irrational and dangerous, and I want it to go away. Is this a "just"? I am happy to dismantle any "advantage" of a racist mindset, if you'd like. It simply does not need to exist - the exist of racism is a failure of society. Every member of society, I believe, has a responsibility to make it Go Away. That includes youtube. > but only reflects 25% of the population I am surprised to hear you suppose that 75% of the population is, for example, racist. I strongly reject this hypothesis but welcome your evidence. > an actual image of diversity. It’s just that you don’t like this diversity and you want them not to exist, but their points are, if not correct, at least vastly unadressed because the visible society despises them. "just," again, implies that my dislike of this "diversity" and my desire for it to not exist, means it should? Racist points should remain unaddressed - they are wrong. They deserve no more attention than someone saying "there is a dragon in my garage, you may not see it but you must worship it with me" - riddled with fallacy and taking no energy to generate, these ideas and concepts must be rejected with as little energy as it took to generate them, or we open ourselves up to "death by bullshit." A DDOS of bullshit. Society should despise many of these concepts. Racism is stupid, pointless, a waste of energy, and immoral. That someone that is racist gets despised by association is a shame - I wish we could all be Dale Carnegie. Punish the sin not the sinner. >And that’s 49% of population I reject the notion that all men are Mens Rights activists - that idea isn't even kosher by Red Pill values, because "cucks" exist in their value system, which obviously aren't men's right's activists. Furthermore, my own experience disagrees with the supposition - I have met thousands of men, and about two men's rights activists. On the internet, I only find them when I hang out in 4chan or the boards made for them on reddit. 49% of the population is "underground?" The phrase, "men's rights activism" does not draw meaning from the words alone - the definition encompasses more. I posit that equating the censoring of Red Pillers is not equivalent to discriminatory actions towards men in general.
- Laforet 8y ago
  It's not too bad for videos with a smaller (<100k) viewer count or just not of general interest. The comment system seems to cope well and people who comment by this stage is usually interested in tje topic and have something constructive to say. Once the number of comments reach a tipping point it's the time to bail out.
- darkpuma 8y ago
  The opinion people have of youtube comments says a lot about what sort of videos they probably watch. You hear the sentiments echoed by the creators that run different sort of channels too. Some people think youtube comments are complete trash. They usually watch videos of very large channels. Other people think youtube comments are dull but not particularly horrible but rarely insightful. It's common to hear this about channels with a million subscribers or less. But below 100,000 subscribers, in the long-tail of youtube, you'll often find that content creators enjoy having reasonably constructive conversations with their viewers in the comments. There are always exceptions, but these are the general trends I've noticed. Examples of the first category, the very large channels, are easy to find. Pewdiepie, and anybody like him, have awful comment sections and I think everybody knows it. I subscribe to several very small channels with only hundreds or thousands of subscribers that have great comment sections, but you'll have to excuse me for not sharing them here. In the middle range, I can give you a few examples. Matthias Wandel (woodworking) and Forgotten Weapons (history and overview of rare/historical firearms) both recently passed 1 million. Their comment sections are rarely insightful, but typically not offensively bad. Mostly just people making the same obvious joke over and over again, or people trying and failing to be insightful.
  - amanaplanacanal 8y ago
    God help the woman who tries to do something like your woodworking or firearms channels, especially if she is attractive. Maybe all those commenters are 12 years old, but I doubt it.
    - darkpuma 8y ago
      I'm not sure; to be honest most the women I'm subscribed to are in the sub-100k range (I think all are sub-200k.) I think those comment sections are mature and constructive more often than not. Within that range, I still notice a general trend of comments being better when channels are smaller. The curve might be shifted, but I think the trend line probably has the same shape.
djsumdog 8y ago
YouTube tried to fix their comment system by forcing people to attach them to Google accounts with real names. The anonymity is part of the problem (look at how much banning Reddit has had to do due to advertiser pushback. It's not an open platform at all. Voat and 4chan are good examples of what anonymity leads to). Anonymous comments are always going to go down that path. The way Facebook slowly released and tried to keep all accounts real has contributed to the way it's network works. We see other sites trying to do this like OKCupid which tried to force people to use their real first names. I personally think there is something that's lost when you lose that anonymity. There is a reality people let themselves be, and there's something valuable that can be learned about society which is overshadowed but just calling comments a cesspool.

AnaniasAnanas 8y ago

Both a usability nightmare and a sanity nightmare. The content of the comments there is about as bad as facebook's. To be honest if they removed the ability to comment then nothing of value would be lost.

komali2 8y ago
Comments on youtube are far far worse than on facebook, imo. Hit up any tow truck channel and you'll see overt, unhindered racism, for hundreds of comments.
- alexis_fr 8y ago
  It’s just that you don’t agree with it. There is a big chiasm between censored internet (Facebook, newspapers) where everything is polished but only reflects 25% of the population, and free internet (the rest) where you get an actual image of diversity. It’s just that you don’t like this diversity and you want them not to exist, but their points are, if not correct, at least vastly unadressed because the visible society despises them. I defend men’s rights. All of MR forums are underground. They’re not happy, they’re unadressed and despised by society. And that’s 49% of population. Saying men’s rights are a non-issue which should not be adressed and deserves the censorship it has in the above-ground internet is, by nature, discriminatory towards men. It’s just an example, but you won’t be able to keep the pressure cooker very long.
  - komali2 8y ago
    I appreciate that you care deeply about this issue. I hope this means you are open to me challenging your points: >It’s just that you don’t agree with it. Correct, I don't agree that it's ok to refer to groups of people as "jobless apes," and I despise the mindset required to dehumanize like that. I find it disgusting. I also find it irrational and dangerous, and I want it to go away. Is this a "just"? I am happy to dismantle any "advantage" of a racist mindset, if you'd like. It simply does not need to exist - the exist of racism is a failure of society. Every member of society, I believe, has a responsibility to make it Go Away. That includes youtube. > but only reflects 25% of the population I am surprised to hear you suppose that 75% of the population is, for example, racist. I strongly reject this hypothesis but welcome your evidence. > an actual image of diversity. It’s just that you don’t like this diversity and you want them not to exist, but their points are, if not correct, at least vastly unadressed because the visible society despises them. "just," again, implies that my dislike of this "diversity" and my desire for it to not exist, means it should? Racist points should remain unaddressed - they are wrong. They deserve no more attention than someone saying "there is a dragon in my garage, you may not see it but you must worship it with me" - riddled with fallacy and taking no energy to generate, these ideas and concepts must be rejected with as little energy as it took to generate them, or we open ourselves up to "death by bullshit." A DDOS of bullshit. Society should despise many of these concepts. Racism is stupid, pointless, a waste of energy, and immoral. That someone that is racist gets despised by association is a shame - I wish we could all be Dale Carnegie. Punish the sin not the sinner. >And that’s 49% of population I reject the notion that all men are Mens Rights activists - that idea isn't even kosher by Red Pill values, because "cucks" exist in their value system, which obviously aren't men's right's activists. Furthermore, my own experience disagrees with the supposition - I have met thousands of men, and about two men's rights activists. On the internet, I only find them when I hang out in 4chan or the boards made for them on reddit. 49% of the population is "underground?" The phrase, "men's rights activism" does not draw meaning from the words alone - the definition encompasses more. I posit that equating the censoring of Red Pillers is not equivalent to discriminatory actions towards men in general.
Laforet 8y ago
It's not too bad for videos with a smaller (<100k) viewer count or just not of general interest. The comment system seems to cope well and people who comment by this stage is usually interested in tje topic and have something constructive to say. Once the number of comments reach a tipping point it's the time to bail out.
darkpuma 8y ago
The opinion people have of youtube comments says a lot about what sort of videos they probably watch. You hear the sentiments echoed by the creators that run different sort of channels too. Some people think youtube comments are complete trash. They usually watch videos of very large channels. Other people think youtube comments are dull but not particularly horrible but rarely insightful. It's common to hear this about channels with a million subscribers or less. But below 100,000 subscribers, in the long-tail of youtube, you'll often find that content creators enjoy having reasonably constructive conversations with their viewers in the comments. There are always exceptions, but these are the general trends I've noticed. Examples of the first category, the very large channels, are easy to find. Pewdiepie, and anybody like him, have awful comment sections and I think everybody knows it. I subscribe to several very small channels with only hundreds or thousands of subscribers that have great comment sections, but you'll have to excuse me for not sharing them here. In the middle range, I can give you a few examples. Matthias Wandel (woodworking) and Forgotten Weapons (history and overview of rare/historical firearms) both recently passed 1 million. Their comment sections are rarely insightful, but typically not offensively bad. Mostly just people making the same obvious joke over and over again, or people trying and failing to be insightful.
- amanaplanacanal 8y ago
  God help the woman who tries to do something like your woodworking or firearms channels, especially if she is attractive. Maybe all those commenters are 12 years old, but I doubt it.
  - darkpuma 8y ago
    I'm not sure; to be honest most the women I'm subscribed to are in the sub-100k range (I think all are sub-200k.) I think those comment sections are mature and constructive more often than not. Within that range, I still notice a general trend of comments being better when channels are smaller. The curve might be shifted, but I think the trend line probably has the same shape.

djsumdog 8y ago

YouTube tried to fix their comment system by forcing people to attach them to Google accounts with real names. The anonymity is part of the problem (look at how much banning Reddit has had to do due to advertiser pushback. It's not an open platform at all. Voat and 4chan are good examples of what anonymity leads to). Anonymous comments are always going to go down that path. The way Facebook slowly released and tried to keep all accounts real has contributed to the way it's network works. We see other sites trying to do this like OKCupid which tried to force people to use their real first names. I personally think there is something that's lost when you lose that anonymity. There is a reality people let themselves be, and there's something valuable that can be learned about society which is overshadowed but just calling comments a cesspool.