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This is why if we listened to people like you we would still be riding horses and buggies. Look at Germany are they inevitably crashing constantly at 100MPH or

by soheil 8y ago

This is why if we listened to people like you we would still be riding horses and buggies. Look at Germany are they inevitably crashing constantly at 100MPH or has the Autobahn maybe to some small extent has contributed to German cars being some of the most efficient and desirable cars in the world and pushed the envelope on what is engineeringly possible.

deathanatos 8y ago
Perhaps Germay's safety record has nothing to do with their speed limits, or rather, perhaps any detriment to safety caused by higher/unlimited speed limits is offset by > Germany's more rigorous driver-education system makes acquiring a license more difficult and costly than is typical in the United States. The requirements in the US for getting a license are incredibly low in some jurisdictions.
- soheil 8y ago
  Again if we were riding horses and buggies we would not need to even go to driving school and get a driver's license. Only when something is a necessary condition it happens, to have the same level driver-education here as in Germany first you need higher speed limits.
  - semi-extrinsic 8y ago
    Compared to e.g. Finnish or Norwegian driver education, the US system still looks like an absolute joke. Those countries have top speed limits of 75 mph and 70 mph, respectively. It's not got anything to do with Autobahn, per se.
    - Sohcahtoa82 8y ago
      > Compared to e.g. Finnish or Norwegian driver education, the US system still looks like an absolute joke. Don't even need to compare the US system to anything to know how much of a joke it is. I don't know how much things have since I got my license in 2001, but in Oregon, driver's ed classes weren't even required. At 15 1/2 years old, you take a 30-question, multiple-choice written test to get a learner's permit that allows you to drive on public roads with a licensed driver in the passenger seat. Then at 16, you can take a 15-minute behind-the-wheel test to get your license. That's all. Your parents would teach you to drive, who would often end up leaving large gaps in your knowledge or even teach things that are flat-out incorrect. A friend of mine was taught specifically to camp the left lane if he's going to be on the highway for more than 5 miles. Driver's ed should be a requirement. The courses should include practical lessons including emergency maneuvers on wet pavement and how to recover from a slide. Being told "steer into/out of the skid" isn't helpful. Everyone should have practiced recovery after loss of traction. Everyone should have had to do emergency stops on both wet and dry pavement so they can actually appreciate the difference in stopping distance. Instead, you get morons that drive 60+ mph on a snowy highway in dense fog because nobody told them you should slow down for that, and somehow it isn't common sense. Videos like this [0] need to be required viewing to get a license. This pileup was 100% preventable. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9fI5M6_XVk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9fI5M6_XVk
    - maerF0x0 8y ago
      One thing I will give credit where due is that when I had to renew my license last time I had to retake the computer tests. That's more than the place I moved here from.
maerF0x0 8y ago
I actually am pro no speed limits because I think global warming is my hysterics than true threat to humanity. If you read my post again you'll see I was noting that the aim of the bill is to reduce green house gasses and it seems to be common knowledge that cars are less efficient at higher speeds.

by soheil 8y ago

deathanatos 8y ago

Perhaps Germay's safety record has nothing to do with their speed limits, or rather, perhaps any detriment to safety caused by higher/unlimited speed limits is offset by > Germany's more rigorous driver-education system makes acquiring a license more difficult and costly than is typical in the United States. The requirements in the US for getting a license are incredibly low in some jurisdictions.

soheil 8y ago
Again if we were riding horses and buggies we would not need to even go to driving school and get a driver's license. Only when something is a necessary condition it happens, to have the same level driver-education here as in Germany first you need higher speed limits.
- semi-extrinsic 8y ago
  Compared to e.g. Finnish or Norwegian driver education, the US system still looks like an absolute joke. Those countries have top speed limits of 75 mph and 70 mph, respectively. It's not got anything to do with Autobahn, per se.
  - Sohcahtoa82 8y ago
    > Compared to e.g. Finnish or Norwegian driver education, the US system still looks like an absolute joke. Don't even need to compare the US system to anything to know how much of a joke it is. I don't know how much things have since I got my license in 2001, but in Oregon, driver's ed classes weren't even required. At 15 1/2 years old, you take a 30-question, multiple-choice written test to get a learner's permit that allows you to drive on public roads with a licensed driver in the passenger seat. Then at 16, you can take a 15-minute behind-the-wheel test to get your license. That's all. Your parents would teach you to drive, who would often end up leaving large gaps in your knowledge or even teach things that are flat-out incorrect. A friend of mine was taught specifically to camp the left lane if he's going to be on the highway for more than 5 miles. Driver's ed should be a requirement. The courses should include practical lessons including emergency maneuvers on wet pavement and how to recover from a slide. Being told "steer into/out of the skid" isn't helpful. Everyone should have practiced recovery after loss of traction. Everyone should have had to do emergency stops on both wet and dry pavement so they can actually appreciate the difference in stopping distance. Instead, you get morons that drive 60+ mph on a snowy highway in dense fog because nobody told them you should slow down for that, and somehow it isn't common sense. Videos like this [0] need to be required viewing to get a license. This pileup was 100% preventable. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9fI5M6_XVk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9fI5M6_XVk
  - maerF0x0 8y ago
    One thing I will give credit where due is that when I had to renew my license last time I had to retake the computer tests. That's more than the place I moved here from.

maerF0x0 8y ago

I actually am pro no speed limits because I think global warming is my hysterics than true threat to humanity. If you read my post again you'll see I was noting that the aim of the bill is to reduce green house gasses and it seems to be common knowledge that cars are less efficient at higher speeds.