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I hate the notion that citizens don't have privileges, because otherwise citizenship is worthless. Obviously the natural rights of all persons ought to be respe
by User23 8y ago
I hate the notion that citizens don't have privileges, because otherwise citizenship is worthless. Obviously the natural rights of all persons ought to be respected.
- crooked-v 8y agoCitizens have the most important privilege: the ability to vote.
- vharuck 8y agoAnd hold government office.
- umanwizard 8y agoWhat makes you say that the ability to vote is the most important privilege? For example, I'd happily give up my right to vote before my right to legal due process. I'd rather live in undemocratic Singapore than in somewhere with free elections but widespread corruption and poor rule of law like India, Turkey, or Mexico.
- ssambros 8y agoYou keep confusing the terms. You say "privilege to vote" in one sentence and "right to vote" in another. Constitution sees due process as a right of "persons", and ability to vote as a "right of citizens".
- int_19h 8y agoBecause your right to vote ultimately affects all those other rights. With enough people voting for such, protection for rights can be repealed, or even ignored outright.
- umanwizard 8y agoNot really, since a lot of them are pretty unpopular. For example, things like "making it illegal to burn the flag" or "stopping Neo-Nazis from marching" poll very well in the US -- people would happily vote to get rid of freedom of speech if they could. As for rule of law, there are examples of non-democracies with solidly developed rule of law, like present-day Singapore and Hong Kong, or Britain in the 19th century (and before).
- thelasthuman 8y agoHow important is this privilege if I can maliciously control how you vote? Now imagine the good we can do with real electoral reform (Democrats idea of repealing citizens United is a meager start, but weak lip service to real reform) What we have now - First Past The Post Voting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo Range Voting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3GFG0sXIig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3GFG0sXIig Single Transferable Vote - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI Alternative Vote - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3jE3B8HsE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3jE3B8HsE Mixed-Member Proportional Representation - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT0I-sdoSXU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT0I-sdoSXU Electoral reform is just step 1, something we can all come together for. Something no one could possibly be against. How about if I control who can be voted for? Of course it matters - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Erph1L_XwVQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Erph1L_XwVQ bonus video: This video will make you angry -https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc
- ceejayoz 8y agoCitizens have the special privileges of voting, being President, and having guaranteed reentry to the country.
- lmm 8y ago> otherwise citizenship is worthless Would that be such a bad thing?
- User23 8y agoFor citizens.