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> Your goals shouldn't be opposed to the company's goals, and if they are, you're creating a problem on the team. Wait, let's step back there. I didn't say I

> Your goals shouldn't be opposed to the company's goals, and if they are, you're creating a problem on the team. Wait, let's step back there. I didn't say I'm opposed to the company's goals. That's something different. I'm not saying: "well, I think we should have no customers whatsoever, and lose as much money as we possibly can". I'm saying: "If you want me to do deployments outside of business hours, you will have to pay me extra for doing so, since you're eating into my time with friends and family". > Doing "as little work as possible" in particular would immediately put you in the category of "toxic" here I said 'want to do as little work as possible'. That's something different from doing it. I'm not sitting at my desk browsing the hours away on forums. If I could get paid the same for working 5 hours less a week though, I'd take that option in a heartbeat. > specifically because it's completely unnecessary to living a balanced life. Life doesn't come easy to everyone, and a balanced life even less easily. Some people need more time than others to recuperate from a week's work. If it comes easier to you, all the more power to you, but it doesn't to everyone. > The only person that helps is you, as opposed to what a healthy person does, and that's find ways to help both themselves and the company. Sometimes there is no good way that helps you and the company at the same time.

diminoten 8y ago
> Sometimes there is no good way that helps you and the company at the same time. and > I didn't say I'm opposed to the company's goals. That's something different. Are in conflict. It's possible you only think of goals as in, "Grow by 50% this quarter" and not, "Maximize the productivity of my team," but that's incorrect. If the company has a goal of "deploy during off hours", it can be done in a way that benefits the employee and the employer. CI/CD for example. The thing is, even the productivity goal can be done in a mutually beneficial way, but your philosophy doesn't allow for that, and that makes the "zero sum" or "as little as possible" philosophy a toxic one.

diminoten 8y ago

> Sometimes there is no good way that helps you and the company at the same time. and > I didn't say I'm opposed to the company's goals. That's something different. Are in conflict. It's possible you only think of goals as in, "Grow by 50% this quarter" and not, "Maximize the productivity of my team," but that's incorrect. If the company has a goal of "deploy during off hours", it can be done in a way that benefits the employee and the employer. CI/CD for example. The thing is, even the productivity goal can be done in a mutually beneficial way, but your philosophy doesn't allow for that, and that makes the "zero sum" or "as little as possible" philosophy a toxic one.