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OK but what does this have to do with the original point? There are plenty of reasons why Apple might want to prevent pirated app stores from being used on thei

OK but what does this have to do with the original point? There are plenty of reasons why Apple might want to prevent pirated app stores from being used on their devices: legal, ethical and sure, financial. But "keeping people in their walled garden" isn't the _only_ reason, is it?

osmarks 8y ago
Can you think of another one?
- joemi 8y ago
  > There are plenty of reasons why Apple might want to prevent pirated app stores from being used on their devices: legal, ethical and sure, financial. The comment you were replying to mentioned two others, right there...
zeveb 8y ago
> OK but what does this have to do with the original point? There are plenty of reasons why Apple might want to prevent pirated app stores from being used on their devices: legal, ethical and sure, financial. That was my whole point: once sold, those phones are no longer Apple's devices. Apple has absolutely no legitimate say in what the new owners choose to do with those phones. Nor does Apple have any legal or ethical exposure to what the new owners do with their phones: that is the owners' liability. Now, the owners may wish to enter an arrangement with Apple, and Apple may only choose to enter into that arrangement if the owners do certain things or refrain from doing certain things. That's completely fair. What's not fair is 'selling' someone a device, but retaining ownership of it. That's not a sale; it's a lease.
nathankunicki 8y ago
I think you're limiting the use to "pirated app stores" yourself. There are other apps on those app stores, ones that Apple wouldn't approve, but are still useful. Taking away the question of whether Apple has the right to determine what is moral or ethical (I argue that they don't), I agree with the op in that the primary reason is to maintain the walled garden.
- joemi 8y ago
  OP didn't say "primary reason"... OP said "only reason", and that is what the person you replied to is arguing against. While it may be the primary reason, it's not the _only_ reason.
olyjohn 8y ago
When I jailbroke my iPhone 3G back in the day, Cydia was chalk full of amazing, useful applications that extended the capabilities of my phone. I was actually able to run Pandora in the background while using other apps. At that time, background apps would not continue playing music, and probably could not do much else either. I had dashboards and quick launchers at the time when Apple didn't allow those things. I didn't pirate a single piece of software. It did let me use free software and apps that were not in the App store. It's well known that there were some sketchy apps in there. But how was that any different from having a Linux or Windows desktop where in you can install whatever you want? I believe that the financial motivation (the walled garden) is the biggest one, but maybe not the only one.
- dkonofalski 8y ago
  While it's definitely the biggest incentive, there's also a customer-focus piece. I used to do third-party repairs for these devices and I can't tell you the number of people that would get mad at me and/or Apple because they jailbroke their phone and then did something to brick it. They had someone else jailbreak it for them, so they had no understanding of what had actually been done, and then they attempted to run updates that broke them. When people expect support, it makes sense to me that Apple would want to prevent those types of situations from occurring when they're the ones that have to deal with people who don't know or understand what they've done.

osmarks 8y ago

Can you think of another one?

joemi 8y ago
> There are plenty of reasons why Apple might want to prevent pirated app stores from being used on their devices: legal, ethical and sure, financial. The comment you were replying to mentioned two others, right there...

zeveb 8y ago

> OK but what does this have to do with the original point? There are plenty of reasons why Apple might want to prevent pirated app stores from being used on their devices: legal, ethical and sure, financial. That was my whole point: once sold, those phones are no longer Apple's devices. Apple has absolutely no legitimate say in what the new owners choose to do with those phones. Nor does Apple have any legal or ethical exposure to what the new owners do with their phones: that is the owners' liability. Now, the owners may wish to enter an arrangement with Apple, and Apple may only choose to enter into that arrangement if the owners do certain things or refrain from doing certain things. That's completely fair. What's not fair is 'selling' someone a device, but retaining ownership of it. That's not a sale; it's a lease.

nathankunicki 8y ago

I think you're limiting the use to "pirated app stores" yourself. There are other apps on those app stores, ones that Apple wouldn't approve, but are still useful. Taking away the question of whether Apple has the right to determine what is moral or ethical (I argue that they don't), I agree with the op in that the primary reason is to maintain the walled garden.

joemi 8y ago
OP didn't say "primary reason"... OP said "only reason", and that is what the person you replied to is arguing against. While it may be the primary reason, it's not the _only_ reason.

olyjohn 8y ago

When I jailbroke my iPhone 3G back in the day, Cydia was chalk full of amazing, useful applications that extended the capabilities of my phone. I was actually able to run Pandora in the background while using other apps. At that time, background apps would not continue playing music, and probably could not do much else either. I had dashboards and quick launchers at the time when Apple didn't allow those things. I didn't pirate a single piece of software. It did let me use free software and apps that were not in the App store. It's well known that there were some sketchy apps in there. But how was that any different from having a Linux or Windows desktop where in you can install whatever you want? I believe that the financial motivation (the walled garden) is the biggest one, but maybe not the only one.

dkonofalski 8y ago
While it's definitely the biggest incentive, there's also a customer-focus piece. I used to do third-party repairs for these devices and I can't tell you the number of people that would get mad at me and/or Apple because they jailbroke their phone and then did something to brick it. They had someone else jailbreak it for them, so they had no understanding of what had actually been done, and then they attempted to run updates that broke them. When people expect support, it makes sense to me that Apple would want to prevent those types of situations from occurring when they're the ones that have to deal with people who don't know or understand what they've done.