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Still waiting for news: Opera xx - now we support google services!

by xytop 16y ago

reitzensteinm 16y ago
I dont know who downvoted you, but as an Opera user that uses Firefox to check Gmail, I'm waiting for the same thing myself!
- Tomek_ 16y ago
  Huh? I don't have any problems with Gmail under Opera. As for the "who downvoted" I guess it was someone who thinks that it's Google that should be blamed for most of "the problems" with Google's services under Opera. It's a browser that's very standard compliant and yet they don't even let you do such silly thing as changing background image on Google's front page (and of course it works fine if only you mask Opera as Firefox).
  - balakk 16y ago
    The last two builds broke gmail for me. However, the latest one works.
    - Daverk 16y ago
      Could it be possible to have emails time tag to be correct?
  - xytop 16y ago
    Let me disagree here. Although Opera is positioned itself as standard compliant, it has many issues with javascript. Some functions are working incorrectly, some just not working, some events firing, some not. Right click is disabled too.. I'm not against Opera, but we should think about stuffs above. Regarding Google - google making their money from adverts, from people who using google. Do you really think that google could deliberately disable Opera support due to some internal polytics and renounce from money of many opera users? I think there were good reasons such as bad js support, because javascript is widely used by google in their services.
    - sgift 16y ago
      Your argumentation ignores that Google had to invest money to test for another browser, which may be more than the money they can make on adverts to Opera users. This has nothing to do with any supposed problems in Operas js handling (which I've never noted ... for me the js works just fine in Opera and disallowing js to handle the right mouse button is a great feature), but is a simple cost-benefit analysis.
      - andrewl-hn 16y ago
        Google preemptively tries to kick Opera out of the browser world. Many new services come up with dedicated code to block Opera claiming that this browser can't handle them. I can't tell you how many times I changed Opera's UA string to Firefox and those services start working. Magic! <sarcasm Not testing for a particular browser is fine (and truth be told Opera just works in 99.99% of the time). Blocking it just because one can is pure evil!
        Shorel 16y ago
        Of course, Opera is the only browser that has challenged Chrome claims of the faster browser ever (in production builds, that's it). > Blocking it just because one can is pure evil! It means they value market share over standards. Very evil indeed.
    - lars 16y ago
      > Do you really think that google could deliberately disable Opera support due to some internal polytics and renounce from money of many opera users? Yes. Google Docs officially does not support Opera. Not Gmail either. This was a policy change that happened some time ago. Sources: http://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=37560 http://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answe... http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6557 http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answe... In my experience, both of these always work in Opera though, if you actually try.
    - hoppipolla 16y ago
      (disclaimer: Opera Employee, Core QA) If you are having problems with javascript in Opera, I would really like to hear about them so that they can be fixed. There is a bug report form at [1], or reply here. Obviously it is nice if you have a reduced testcase, but just knowing that a site fails is immensely useful. [1] https://bugs.opera.com/wizard/ https://bugs.opera.com/wizard/
  - Arve 16y ago
    GMail failed in a number of the Opera 11 alpha builds and snapshots because our native implementation of Function.prototype.bind was broken. This was recently fixed.
famrey 16y ago
Google can't even get Chrome to work on all their own services. How can you expect them to support Opera?

Still waiting for news: Opera xx - now we support google services!

by xytop 16y ago

Still waiting for news: Opera xx - now we support google services!

I dont know who downvoted you, but as an Opera user that uses Firefox to check Gmail, I'm waiting for the same thing myself!

Tomek_ 16y ago
Huh? I don't have any problems with Gmail under Opera. As for the "who downvoted" I guess it was someone who thinks that it's Google that should be blamed for most of "the problems" with Google's services under Opera. It's a browser that's very standard compliant and yet they don't even let you do such silly thing as changing background image on Google's front page (and of course it works fine if only you mask Opera as Firefox).
- balakk 16y ago
  The last two builds broke gmail for me. However, the latest one works.
  - Daverk 16y ago
    Could it be possible to have emails time tag to be correct?
- xytop 16y ago
  Let me disagree here. Although Opera is positioned itself as standard compliant, it has many issues with javascript. Some functions are working incorrectly, some just not working, some events firing, some not. Right click is disabled too.. I'm not against Opera, but we should think about stuffs above. Regarding Google - google making their money from adverts, from people who using google. Do you really think that google could deliberately disable Opera support due to some internal polytics and renounce from money of many opera users? I think there were good reasons such as bad js support, because javascript is widely used by google in their services.
  - sgift 16y ago
    Your argumentation ignores that Google had to invest money to test for another browser, which may be more than the money they can make on adverts to Opera users. This has nothing to do with any supposed problems in Operas js handling (which I've never noted ... for me the js works just fine in Opera and disallowing js to handle the right mouse button is a great feature), but is a simple cost-benefit analysis.
    - andrewl-hn 16y ago
      Google preemptively tries to kick Opera out of the browser world. Many new services come up with dedicated code to block Opera claiming that this browser can't handle them. I can't tell you how many times I changed Opera's UA string to Firefox and those services start working. Magic! <sarcasm Not testing for a particular browser is fine (and truth be told Opera just works in 99.99% of the time). Blocking it just because one can is pure evil!
      - Shorel 16y ago
        Of course, Opera is the only browser that has challenged Chrome claims of the faster browser ever (in production builds, that's it). > Blocking it just because one can is pure evil! It means they value market share over standards. Very evil indeed.
  - lars 16y ago
    > Do you really think that google could deliberately disable Opera support due to some internal polytics and renounce from money of many opera users? Yes. Google Docs officially does not support Opera. Not Gmail either. This was a policy change that happened some time ago. Sources: http://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=37560 http://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answe... http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6557 http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answe... In my experience, both of these always work in Opera though, if you actually try.
  - hoppipolla 16y ago
    (disclaimer: Opera Employee, Core QA) If you are having problems with javascript in Opera, I would really like to hear about them so that they can be fixed. There is a bug report form at [1], or reply here. Obviously it is nice if you have a reduced testcase, but just knowing that a site fails is immensely useful. [1] https://bugs.opera.com/wizard/ https://bugs.opera.com/wizard/
- Arve 16y ago
  GMail failed in a number of the Opera 11 alpha builds and snapshots because our native implementation of Function.prototype.bind was broken. This was recently fixed.

famrey 16y ago

Google can't even get Chrome to work on all their own services. How can you expect them to support Opera?