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Opera 11 - new and improved (Alpha)
- xytop 16y agoStill waiting for news: Opera xx - now we support google services!
- reitzensteinm 16y agoI dont know who downvoted you, but as an Opera user that uses Firefox to check Gmail, I'm waiting for the same thing myself!
- Tomek_ 16y agoHuh? I don't have any problems with Gmail under Opera. As for the "who downvoted" I guess it was someone who thinks that it's Google that should be blamed for most of "the problems" with Google's services under Opera. It's a browser that's very standard compliant and yet they don't even let you do such silly thing as changing background image on Google's front page (and of course it works fine if only you mask Opera as Firefox).
- balakk 16y agoThe last two builds broke gmail for me. However, the latest one works.
- Daverk 16y agoCould it be possible to have emails time tag to be correct?
- xytop 16y agoLet me disagree here. Although Opera is positioned itself as standard compliant, it has many issues with javascript. Some functions are working incorrectly, some just not working, some events firing, some not. Right click is disabled too.. I'm not against Opera, but we should think about stuffs above. Regarding Google - google making their money from adverts, from people who using google. Do you really think that google could deliberately disable Opera support due to some internal polytics and renounce from money of many opera users? I think there were good reasons such as bad js support, because javascript is widely used by google in their services.
- sgift 16y agoYour argumentation ignores that Google had to invest money to test for another browser, which may be more than the money they can make on adverts to Opera users. This has nothing to do with any supposed problems in Operas js handling (which I've never noted ... for me the js works just fine in Opera and disallowing js to handle the right mouse button is a great feature), but is a simple cost-benefit analysis.
- andrewl-hn 16y agoGoogle preemptively tries to kick Opera out of the browser world. Many new services come up with dedicated code to block Opera claiming that this browser can't handle them. I can't tell you how many times I changed Opera's UA string to Firefox and those services start working. Magic! <sarcasm Not testing for a particular browser is fine (and truth be told Opera just works in 99.99% of the time). Blocking it just because one can is pure evil!
- Shorel 16y agoOf course, Opera is the only browser that has challenged Chrome claims of the faster browser ever (in production builds, that's it). > Blocking it just because one can is pure evil! It means they value market share over standards. Very evil indeed.
- lars 16y ago> Do you really think that google could deliberately disable Opera support due to some internal polytics and renounce from money of many opera users? Yes. Google Docs officially does not support Opera. Not Gmail either. This was a policy change that happened some time ago. Sources: http://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=37560 http://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answe... http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6557 http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answe... In my experience, both of these always work in Opera though, if you actually try.
- hoppipolla 16y ago(disclaimer: Opera Employee, Core QA) If you are having problems with javascript in Opera, I would really like to hear about them so that they can be fixed. There is a bug report form at [1], or reply here. Obviously it is nice if you have a reduced testcase, but just knowing that a site fails is immensely useful. [1] https://bugs.opera.com/wizard/ https://bugs.opera.com/wizard/
- Arve 16y agoGMail failed in a number of the Opera 11 alpha builds and snapshots because our native implementation of Function.prototype.bind was broken. This was recently fixed.
- famrey 16y agoGoogle can't even get Chrome to work on all their own services. How can you expect them to support Opera?
- kooshball 16y agotitle should be clear this build is a nightly build, not retail
- Tomek_ 16y agoThat address field feature is a cool idea. I'd expect other browsers "copying" it soon, which would make it another item on a list entitled "Invented by Opera, popularized by others".
- pornel 16y agoThe way Opera hides http:// http:// is a nice touch (edit: because they avoided copy&paste problem that Chrome has), but such addressbar style has been pioneered by Firefox (extensions) and Chrome.
- yread 16y agoI really like the way mouse gestures are shown and "taught" - feels almost like a teaching game. But I had to disable the URL parameter hiding..
- rimantas 16y agoI am a Mac user and I have a new wish: browser vendors releasing alpha and beta versions named as such: so instead of Opera I would have Opera11a in .dmg. Then I would simply drag it into my Application. Now I drag it on desktop, rename, and drag into Applications…
- JeffJenkins 16y agoThey've previously done that with Opera alphas and betas. I don't know if they're doing it consistently, though.
- rimantas 16y agoScores only 179 on html5test.com. Chrome dev: 241, Webkit nightly: 243, Firefox 4 beta: 217
- Indyan 16y agoHTML5Test doesn't pay too much attention to stuff like SVG, which is Opera's strong point. One area where opera is lagging behind is webGL support and that reflects on the tests.
- rimantas 16y agoSVG is not HTML5…
- famrey 16y agoThat site isn't very useful since it only reflects what the author thinks is important. It doesn't show actual standards compliance. He chooses tests and assigns scores according to his own priorities. So it's misleading to call it "html5test."
- rimantas 16y agoScores are based on the number of features supported. What's wrong about it?
- jasonkester 16y agoI guess you have to credit Opera for sticking it out this long, years after they dropped off the radar of basically everybody. I just checked for a few of my sites, and I'm seeing about 1.3% of my visitors using Opera. I keep hearing that their mobile browser is big, but it seems that nobody has ever visited any of my sites using it. The one thing I always liked about Opera as a developer is that they used IE as their spec. That is, if a site rendered correctly in IE, chances are it would do the same in Opera. The upside is that you'd only ever need cross-check for Opera compatibility a couple times a month (versus several times per day for IE/FF/Chrome), and it would generally still be working. The downside of course, since they have such a small installed base, is that if ever your thing stopped working on Opera, you didn't have much incentive to spend the time and effort do do anything about it.
- pornel 16y agoOpera has decent market share in central and eastern Europe. In Ukraine and Russia it's huge: http://clear.com.ua/projects/ee_browsers/?ukraine http://clear.com.ua/projects/ee_browsers/?ukraine
- 27182818284 16y agoWow! Thanks for that. I really need to break the habit of assuming the world follows US patterns because Google, Silicon Valley, etc are in the US.
- katovatzschyn 16y agoAlso Germany, Scandinavia and parts of Japan I have found uses this browser. Europe more in percent than America. I am not sure why this is. If any one knows or guesses, I would be curious to find out.
- lmkg 16y agoFor one thing, it's a Norwegian company, which explains its popularity in Scandinavia, and could mean more focus and expertise on internationalization. Second, some of its features are more suited to Eastern European markets. Computers tend to be older and cheaper, and Opera works well in low-CPU/low-memory environments[1]. Many connections are still on dial-up, and many ISPs charge by the megabyte, and Opera has a number of options for saving bandwidth, like disabling images or using a proxy compression server. These advantages are probably less important nowadays than 5 or 10 years ago, but by now it's an established player, which helps. [1] On machines with lots of RAM it tends to be a memory hog, but it works perfectly fine in tighter environments. They claim their memory strategy changes depending on local conditions.
- Monkeyget 16y agoI was excited to see they decided to add extension support. Unfortunately it seems quite limited for now. Essentially you have greasemonkey scripts plus a button on the toolbar. Also the extension API is extremely buggy at the moment, which makes it painful to write extension but its still a development build so it's ok. Looking at the changelogs I'm surprised to see regressions in basic features of the browsers. I wonder if the firefox and chrome trunks have the same kinds of bugs.
- lhnn 16y agoImmediately used 160MB upon starting the program. Firefox is lean compared to that.
- famrey 16y agoA random number like that is pretty useless. Opera has dynamic handling of RAM, so if you have a lot of it, it will use more. If you have less, it will use less. I'm guessing you have at least 1-2 GB RAM.
- famrey 16y agoBy the way, claiming that Firefox is lean because it sets hard limits instead of adapting the memory usage dynamically is pretty silly...
- Osiris 16y agoYou can manually set the memory cache in Preferences. I figure that unused RAM is wasted RAM. If I've got 4GB of RAM and all that caching allows to browse faster (going back a page in Opera is lightening fast), then I applaud it.
- lhnn 16y agoI like getting downvoted for not knowing the minutia of a program's memory handling. Thanks, people. To Osiris: Given I'm not aware of that 150+ MB being dynamic, I assume that's 150MB I'm not getting back if and when I need it. I play memory-eating video games and use VMs; 150MB for a web browser looks like a lot when you've got to trim the fat off your running processes. Does Opera reduce its memory footprint when you are low on RAM?