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> I have gender dysphoria and at one point considered getting on testosterone, but thanks to conversations with transmen and detransitioned women on social medi
by msla 8y ago
> I have gender dysphoria and at one point considered getting on testosterone, but thanks to conversations with transmen and detransitioned women on social media, I learned about less-commonly discussed side effects and decided against taking testosterone. This is an area where research is still developing and there aren't a ton of long-term studies, so it's incredibly helpful to be able to learn from other people's experiences, even if they aren't yet confirmed by research.
I'm sorry for using your actual problem as a jumping-off point, but this is a real issue:
There are people called TERFs, or Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists, who think "being trans" doesn't exist, that trans people are all mentally ill and/or (in the case of transwomen) men trying to invade female spaces to cause havoc, and who are organized enough to turn being trans into a huge political clusterfuck.
More than it already is, I mean.
My point is, the project of cleaning up "Bad Medical Information" runs into politics even quicker than most would imagine, and TERFs are very, very good at playing the "You're misogynistic!" card early, often, and loudly. How much courage would a tech company have in the face of that these days?
(They're also good at playing the "TERF is a slur! Cis is a slur!" card.)
- ummonk 8y agoTERF is most definitely a slur, and cis is often used as one as well. E.g. "cis white males!"
- jdietrich 8y ago>TERF is most definitely a slur Really? What else should we call self-professed radical feminists whose definition of a woman excludes trans women?
- creaghpatr 8y agoProbably not a slur.
- ummonk 8y agoRadfem. You wouldn’t go around calling pro-choice and pro-life people “anti-life” and “anti-choice” would you?
- jdietrich 8y agoNot all radical feminists are trans-exclusionary, hence the need for the term. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_feminism#Views_on_transgender_topics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_feminism#Views_on_tran...
- lordCarbonFiber 8y agoI think the need for distinction arises from the fact that nothing in the foundations of radfem that presupposes trans exclusionary ideology (especially considering the evolution of the science of gender). Trans exclusionary groups are pretty proud of the exclusion in and how it differentiates them from other feminists (or radfeminists for that matter) grouts. So TERF seems pretty apt to me. Granted Im pretty naturally biased given they'd say I don't exist but the point stands.
- creaghpatr 8y agoBut I defend your right to believe and share that biological men who claim to be women are actually women and would never allow a tech company to censor you!
- tomp 8y agoThere are people called Radical Feminists, that consider everyone that defines "woman" biologically and that wants to keep certain privileges to women only (e.g. sex-seggregated toilets) to be a "TERF", and proceeds to shame them and misrepresent their position.
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- yters 8y agoThe concerns they have don't sound completely unreasonable.