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I'd like to try DMT before I die, but even while living in the Netherlands I'm having a hard time obtaining it. I might try extracting it myself some day but

by aerique 16y ago

I'd like to try DMT before I die, but even while living in the Netherlands I'm having a hard time obtaining it. I might try extracting it myself some day but I'm not much of a DIY in that respect and I'd probably light up my garden shed.

die_sekte 16y ago
You could try Ayahuasca. It should be a bit easier to prepare than pure DMT, and more pleasant to consume too. The plants needed to make it are legal; the result is not, but since you're going to consume it soon after, I wouldn't worry about it. Just make sure that you consume no tyramine some time before and afterwards.
thret 16y ago
I'm interested in trying it myself, 'self-transforming machine elves' sound very interesting. The Doors of Perception is his best work. I always felt that there was something lacking in his fiction. Enjoyable, but I could never quite call it literature.
- Alex3917 16y ago
  If you want to know more about DMT-related stuff then check out podcast Gnostic Media on iTunes and download episodes #35 and #58. Both of these are actually about 5-MeO-DMT, which is very different but equally interesting. Also there are a lot of really good Terence McKenna interviews on the Psychedelic Salon podcast, e.g. this Under The Teaching Tree series: http://www.matrixmasters.net/blogs/?p=1509 http://www.matrixmasters.net/blogs/?p=1509 Of course there is also Rick Strassman's book The Spirit Molecule, as well as James Orock's book Tryptamine Palace which is about 5-Meo-DMT. I'm way too scared to try either, but really interesting stuff.
korch 16y ago
There are Ayahuasca tourist businesses in Peru and in that general region. They cost less than typical vacations to the same area. You pay a local Shaman to take you into the jungle with a small group of other Western tourists, and the group goes through the important multi-day long ritual and ceremonial process of consuming ayahuasca. There's a lot more to the experience of ayahuasca than just taking it like a recreational drug. It is such a fundamentally different neurological/existential state that the ancient native ritual components are necessary in order to equip you with a conceptual context that can handle the experience. It's a belief system based on animism, where you seek out and encounter various plant teachers to learn their lessons about the Universe and yourself. Being well prepared matters. After all, those mechanical chattering elves are just the first set of gatekeeping Platonic Archons along to way to total self-annihilation. (Whatever that is.) This kind of trip is not exactly a major tourist draw, so there aren't that many shamans to choose from, but they do have their own websites!

by aerique 16y ago

die_sekte 16y ago

You could try Ayahuasca. It should be a bit easier to prepare than pure DMT, and more pleasant to consume too. The plants needed to make it are legal; the result is not, but since you're going to consume it soon after, I wouldn't worry about it. Just make sure that you consume no tyramine some time before and afterwards.

thret 16y ago

I'm interested in trying it myself, 'self-transforming machine elves' sound very interesting. The Doors of Perception is his best work. I always felt that there was something lacking in his fiction. Enjoyable, but I could never quite call it literature.

Alex3917 16y ago
If you want to know more about DMT-related stuff then check out podcast Gnostic Media on iTunes and download episodes #35 and #58. Both of these are actually about 5-MeO-DMT, which is very different but equally interesting. Also there are a lot of really good Terence McKenna interviews on the Psychedelic Salon podcast, e.g. this Under The Teaching Tree series: http://www.matrixmasters.net/blogs/?p=1509 http://www.matrixmasters.net/blogs/?p=1509 Of course there is also Rick Strassman's book The Spirit Molecule, as well as James Orock's book Tryptamine Palace which is about 5-Meo-DMT. I'm way too scared to try either, but really interesting stuff.

korch 16y ago

There are Ayahuasca tourist businesses in Peru and in that general region. They cost less than typical vacations to the same area. You pay a local Shaman to take you into the jungle with a small group of other Western tourists, and the group goes through the important multi-day long ritual and ceremonial process of consuming ayahuasca. There's a lot more to the experience of ayahuasca than just taking it like a recreational drug. It is such a fundamentally different neurological/existential state that the ancient native ritual components are necessary in order to equip you with a conceptual context that can handle the experience. It's a belief system based on animism, where you seek out and encounter various plant teachers to learn their lessons about the Universe and yourself. Being well prepared matters. After all, those mechanical chattering elves are just the first set of gatekeeping Platonic Archons along to way to total self-annihilation. (Whatever that is.) This kind of trip is not exactly a major tourist draw, so there aren't that many shamans to choose from, but they do have their own websites!