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Speaking of payments: I was actually amazed to find out how much certain union leaders make. Some of them are in the top 1%, with yearly salaries of over $400,0

Speaking of payments: I was actually amazed to find out how much certain union leaders make. Some of them are in the top 1%, with yearly salaries of over $400,000. [1] [1] https://laborpains.org/2018/06/04/union-president-pay-watch-2018/ https://laborpains.org/2018/06/04/union-president-pay-watch-...

rmrfrmrf 8y ago
...which is pennies compared to tech CEO salaries.
- plainOldText 8y ago
  You're right, but please consider this: unions leaders are paper shufflers, bureaucrats, whereas tech CEOs are doers, risk takers and innovators; big difference.
  - metabagel 8y ago
    Depends on the tech CEO. A lot of them seem to be mainly concerned with 'innovating' the stock price higher. Also, union leaders aren't bureaucrats. Also, bureaucrats serve a useful function.
  - ardy42 8y ago
    > You're right, but please consider this: unions leaders are paper shufflers, bureaucrats, whereas tech CEOs are doers, risk takers and innovators; big difference. There's actually not a big difference, after one factors out the remarkable level of spin you've worked into your characterizations.
jancsika 8y ago
For reference-- that's $318,160 more than Jeff Bezos' salary. That's insane. How is a union able to pay that much to their leader on the one hand, yet completely unable to help defend this Amazon employee against an abusive manager? If journalists focused on developer unions for even a fraction of the time they spend criticizing Amazon, I'd bet we'd have some blogs that sound just as damning as the one the author has written.
- Apocryphon 8y ago
  The bulk of Bezos's compensation is all in his equity.
  - Mirioron 8y ago
    Sure, but that's because the company is doing better. If it stagnated then he would only make base salary. If the union does their job poorly the Union leader still gets paid.
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- ardy42 8y ago
  > How is a union able to pay that much to their leader on the one hand, yet completely unable to help defend this Amazon employee against an abusive manager? Are you saying the Amazon has a developer union that could have helped defend this employee? Citation needed. AFAIK, developer unions have been advocated for, but don't actually exist (in a functional form, in the US at least).
ardy42 8y ago
> Speaking of payments: I was actually amazed to find out how much certain union leaders make. Some of them are in the top 1%, with yearly salaries of over $400,000. If you object that people in large-organization senior management roles can make that much, you won't believe what many corporate CEOs make. It'll blow your mind! https://laborpains.org/ https://laborpains.org/: > LaborPains is a joint blog of the Center for Union Facts and the Enterprise Freedom Action Committee. > We expose the truth about labor unions and the pain they impose upon free enterprise. So, basically garbage anti-union propaganda. You might as well have just linked this video https://youtu.be/ONKkoiszVSs?t=17 https://youtu.be/ONKkoiszVSs?t=17.

rmrfrmrf 8y ago

...which is pennies compared to tech CEO salaries.

plainOldText 8y ago
You're right, but please consider this: unions leaders are paper shufflers, bureaucrats, whereas tech CEOs are doers, risk takers and innovators; big difference.
- metabagel 8y ago
  Depends on the tech CEO. A lot of them seem to be mainly concerned with 'innovating' the stock price higher. Also, union leaders aren't bureaucrats. Also, bureaucrats serve a useful function.
- ardy42 8y ago
  > You're right, but please consider this: unions leaders are paper shufflers, bureaucrats, whereas tech CEOs are doers, risk takers and innovators; big difference. There's actually not a big difference, after one factors out the remarkable level of spin you've worked into your characterizations.

jancsika 8y ago

For reference-- that's $318,160 more than Jeff Bezos' salary. That's insane. How is a union able to pay that much to their leader on the one hand, yet completely unable to help defend this Amazon employee against an abusive manager? If journalists focused on developer unions for even a fraction of the time they spend criticizing Amazon, I'd bet we'd have some blogs that sound just as damning as the one the author has written.

Apocryphon 8y ago
The bulk of Bezos's compensation is all in his equity.
- Mirioron 8y ago
  Sure, but that's because the company is doing better. If it stagnated then he would only make base salary. If the union does their job poorly the Union leader still gets paid.
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ardy42 8y ago
> How is a union able to pay that much to their leader on the one hand, yet completely unable to help defend this Amazon employee against an abusive manager? Are you saying the Amazon has a developer union that could have helped defend this employee? Citation needed. AFAIK, developer unions have been advocated for, but don't actually exist (in a functional form, in the US at least).

ardy42 8y ago

> Speaking of payments: I was actually amazed to find out how much certain union leaders make. Some of them are in the top 1%, with yearly salaries of over $400,000. If you object that people in large-organization senior management roles can make that much, you won't believe what many corporate CEOs make. It'll blow your mind! https://laborpains.org/ https://laborpains.org/: > LaborPains is a joint blog of the Center for Union Facts and the Enterprise Freedom Action Committee. > We expose the truth about labor unions and the pain they impose upon free enterprise. So, basically garbage anti-union propaganda. You might as well have just linked this video https://youtu.be/ONKkoiszVSs?t=17 https://youtu.be/ONKkoiszVSs?t=17.