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Probably the former as it doesn’t require as much aggrandizement. I wonder whether a different approach would work. Instead of basing TLD name spacing on nebul

by ianai 8y ago

Probably the former as it doesn’t require as much aggrandizement. I wonder whether a different approach would work. Instead of basing TLD name spacing on nebulous terms (com,net,org,io,edu,etc) create a naming system that better reflects the real world. The abstracted terms lead to clashing. So addressing actually reflects physical addressing. There’s only ever going to be one company at Apple’s corporate address. Not sure how it’d work. Edit-the tech to do this via gps even exists today.

baud147258 8y ago
So there would an .apple tld, with address like dev.apple, buy.apple and so on?
- CydeWeys 8y ago
  Indeed there is a .apple TLD: https://icannwiki.org/.apple https://icannwiki.org/.apple I haven't seen any uses of it in the wild though.
  - mises 8y ago
    https://experience.apple/ipad-pro/ https://experience.apple/ipad-pro/ https://share.newsroom.apple/ https://share.newsroom.apple/ For future reference, search Google for "site:*.dev"
icebraining 8y ago
The irrelevance of physical location is one of the advantages of the Internet; adding that to addresses just to provide an unique key seems absurd. Would a company have to change all their addresses if they move their headquarters? What if the country's street system changes? And what about individuals? I don't see a need to change the current system, but I'd rather move to random strings than tying them to some irrelevant and mutable piece of data.
TheDong 8y ago
We could just give everyone who wants a domain a UUID. My site could be 'uuid://09953e01-8164-4e40-8504-ed5507b50b03'. This seems to solve all of your complaints. No clashing, reflects the real world (names are all meaningless is reality, and physical locations are nebulous). > There’s only ever going to be one company at Apple’s corporate address. On the other hand, there are corporate addresses that have many companies, and many domains, and many distinct technical departments with different needs. What you're missing here is that domain names are meant to be easy to remember. That is their only goal. They were created so people didn't have to memorize ipv4 addresses. Proposing that we use corporate addresses or gps coordinates is absolutely unrealistic and against the spirit of the domain name system in the first place.
- fwip 8y ago
  Go checkout Beaker Browser (using dat) or IPFS.
- marksomnian 8y ago
  > They were created so people didn't have to memorize ipv4 addresses New problem: memorising a UUID is even harder than memorising an IP address. Someone will eventually invent a DNS for the UUID-space, and we'll have this problem all over again.
- WorldMaker 8y ago
  If anyone actually wants to test this: IPv6 is already a modified version of this UUID plan. The designers were even kind enough in designing IPv6 to provide some nice memory shortcuts over UUID in the IPv6 address style, such as :: to fill runs of zeroes. It might~ be fun to see how much of the web you can explore just memorizing IPv6 addresses rather than using DNS.
  - TheDong 8y ago
    I know we're both just joking, but unfortunately due to SNI headers and load balancers, memorizing ipv6 addresses doesn't necessarily get you the right site. The DNS system has also managed to make ip addresses less stable over time.

by ianai 8y ago

baud147258 8y ago

So there would an .apple tld, with address like dev.apple, buy.apple and so on?

CydeWeys 8y ago
Indeed there is a .apple TLD: https://icannwiki.org/.apple https://icannwiki.org/.apple I haven't seen any uses of it in the wild though.
- mises 8y ago
  https://experience.apple/ipad-pro/ https://experience.apple/ipad-pro/ https://share.newsroom.apple/ https://share.newsroom.apple/ For future reference, search Google for "site:*.dev"

icebraining 8y ago

The irrelevance of physical location is one of the advantages of the Internet; adding that to addresses just to provide an unique key seems absurd. Would a company have to change all their addresses if they move their headquarters? What if the country's street system changes? And what about individuals? I don't see a need to change the current system, but I'd rather move to random strings than tying them to some irrelevant and mutable piece of data.

TheDong 8y ago

We could just give everyone who wants a domain a UUID. My site could be 'uuid://09953e01-8164-4e40-8504-ed5507b50b03'. This seems to solve all of your complaints. No clashing, reflects the real world (names are all meaningless is reality, and physical locations are nebulous). > There’s only ever going to be one company at Apple’s corporate address. On the other hand, there are corporate addresses that have many companies, and many domains, and many distinct technical departments with different needs. What you're missing here is that domain names are meant to be easy to remember. That is their only goal. They were created so people didn't have to memorize ipv4 addresses. Proposing that we use corporate addresses or gps coordinates is absolutely unrealistic and against the spirit of the domain name system in the first place.

fwip 8y ago
Go checkout Beaker Browser (using dat) or IPFS.
marksomnian 8y ago
> They were created so people didn't have to memorize ipv4 addresses New problem: memorising a UUID is even harder than memorising an IP address. Someone will eventually invent a DNS for the UUID-space, and we'll have this problem all over again.
WorldMaker 8y ago
If anyone actually wants to test this: IPv6 is already a modified version of this UUID plan. The designers were even kind enough in designing IPv6 to provide some nice memory shortcuts over UUID in the IPv6 address style, such as :: to fill runs of zeroes. It might~ be fun to see how much of the web you can explore just memorizing IPv6 addresses rather than using DNS.
- TheDong 8y ago
  I know we're both just joking, but unfortunately due to SNI headers and load balancers, memorizing ipv6 addresses doesn't necessarily get you the right site. The DNS system has also managed to make ip addresses less stable over time.