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On a recent thread Google personnel mentioned that ICANN forces all domain providers to backup their data so that any domain provider going bankrupt won't affec
by benologist 8y ago
On a recent thread Google personnel mentioned that ICANN forces all domain providers to backup their data so that any domain provider going bankrupt won't affect domains. However there was no mention of what procedures Google Domains themselves have put in place to protect their customers in case their customers get irreversibly banned somewhere within Google's vast empire.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19178757 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19178757
If the answer is they keep your domains, like they do with Adsense revenue when they ban accounts, then you should definitely be getting your .dev through a different domain provider who Google cannot avoid cooperating with because of ICANN rules they have to follow.
https://www.searchenginejournal.com/adsense-lawsuit/248135/ https://www.searchenginejournal.com/adsense-lawsuit/248135/
- sudhirj 8y agoThe domains customers aren't tied to Google user accounts. You buy them from the regular registrars like Gandi.net or (heaven forbid) Godaddy, and use them from your dashboards there. You don't have to use a gmail address anywhere.
- benologist 8y agoIf you buy them through Google Domains you need your Google account to renew domains, set nameservers etc, which is why these other registrars should be used. This same argument actually dates back years for not using your web host for your domain registrar, because of contrived problems hindering domain transfers.
- icebraining 8y agoBut Google Domains ain't issuing this TLD; Google Registry is, and they don't even push their sibling service, it's shown as any other. So I don't see the relevance in their thread.
- benologist 8y agoEverything I said is true for Google Registry too... and anywhere else Google sells domains. They each should be ensuring domain portability for their respective customers and so far they're not doing that.
- CydeWeys 8y agoCan you clarify what exactly you think we're not doing? (Google Registry, that is.) Transfers are a contractually mandated requirement by ICANN, and we definitely support them. Also, because of GDPR and WHOIS privacy/proxies, we frequently don't even know who the registrant for a given domain is anyway.
- benologist 8y agoWhat happens to the domains in your account if your Google account has become banned? Same question for your colleagues at Google Domains.
- icebraining 8y agoWhat account? There's nothing to login to, you can't buy domains directly on Google Registry.
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- benologist 8y agoMy bad, it's Google Domains.
- kevin_thibedeau 8y agoWhat is the support number for people to call when Google locks them out of their account because of an unrelated issue with a separate Alphabet property? There is an established track record for Google screwing over people unfairly.
- artursapek 8y agoIn addition to using another registrar, it's generally a good idea to use single-purpose email accounts not associated with your identity to log in to places like Gandi and Namecheap.
- CydeWeys 8y agoAnd definitely use a registrar that supports 2-factor auth.
- reaperducer 8y agoI think that's what he meant by, "you should definitely be getting your .dev through a different domain provider."
- C1sc0cat 8y agoI used to work for a registry, and ICANN had very strict escrow rules for registrys'. This was for a real TLD but I suspect that there is something similar for vanity domains.
- dragonwriter 8y agoThe new gTLDs are just as much “real TLDs” to ICANN as the older gTLDs and ccTLDs.
- CydeWeys 8y agoThe new gTLDs are much more "real" than the ccTLDs in the sense that they are actually governed in ways that protect registrants. A ccTLD operator can unilaterally yank any domain they want with no restrictions whatsoever. They aren't contracted parties.
- C1sc0cat 8y agoThe original tld expansion was a lot more involved than ponying up your $250,0000 from what I recall.
- PunksATawnyFill 8y agoICANN is a scam. It should have abolished canned TLDs altogether, but instead turned them into a profiteering scheme. There’s no reason that a domain can’t end in ANY string. Bingo, no more fake “shortage.”
- babypuncher 8y agoFor what reasons does Google actually ban accounts?
- Aldo_MX 8y agoReselling a Pixel Phone: https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=68066.0 https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=68066.0
- core-questions 8y agoGoogle owns Youtube, which bans people for any reason they feel like, including people for whom it had become a full-time job with their channel monetization paying the bills. It is extremely unwise and very much against the founding spirit of the Internet to allow one company this much control, especially one that has shown itself to be censorious in the past.
- all2 8y agoWait, does a YT ban extend to all Google products? Does this lock someone out of, say, webmaster tools?
- agentdrtran 8y agoNo, it doesn't.
- aclelland 8y agoNot normally but they do ban your entire account if their bots believe you've been very naughty. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47278362 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47278362 Despite the ban being due to a violation of YT terms of service they lost their entire Google account. > "But because my Google account was terminated as well I didn't have access to my email so I couldn't see what happened."
- mixmastamyk 8y agoNow imagine you had a profitable business on Google Cloud and this happened.
- the_jeremy 8y agodo you have a registrar recommendation? I'm planning on a .dev being my first domain.
- jug 8y agoI have no good idea how it compares to others these days but Gandi has had pre-registrations for .dev.
- wave100 8y agoI've had good experiences with Namecheap in the past.
- doublepg23 8y agoI also have a good track record with Namecheap for bussiness and personal domains.