> you try to argue that they’re a good expenditure of energy? I think his argument is that it shouldn't matter whether it is a good expenditure of energy or no

> you try to argue that they’re a good expenditure of energy? I think his argument is that it shouldn't matter whether it is a good expenditure of energy or not. Environmental costs should be priced in the energy costs. Then it wouldn't matter for the society and for the environment how much energy you use or waste.