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My claim of "you only need two script tags to write a working React app" is entirely accurate. That _does_ limit you to just `React.createElement()`, which is

My claim of "you only need two script tags to write a working React app" is entirely accurate. That _does_ limit you to just `React.createElement()`, which is the core React API. If you don't want to call `React.createElement()` every time (whether or not you alias to to something like `h()`), then you either use JSX (and a build step), or one of the other options like the ones I listed. Pointing at that, and then claiming it's insufficient for "building an entire house", makes it look like there's some goalposts being shoved down the field.

pdimitar 8y ago
The goalpost is -- and always should be -- to build a working app without pretending you don't need a ton of dependencies. You do, unless you have a much bigger time budget than most of us. We can do only so much with a limited toolset. By your analogy, we should only be able to make a working app with `document.write()`. Let's be realistic. A pair of script tags is only theoretically possible and nobody is stopping at that.
- acemarke 8y ago
  I never made any claims about what other tools you _might_ need to build "real world"-ish apps. I'm only saying that you don't actually need anything else, including build setups, to be able to write working React code, because that's a common misunderstanding about React. Folks assume you _have_ to have Webpack and Babel to use it.
  - vinnymac 8y ago
    Additionally if you find local development unpleasant you can always try remote development via something like https://codesandbox.io/ https://codesandbox.io/ which will setup a project with everything you need.
  - xg15 8y ago
    Technically true, but that point isn't really meaningful if the amount of tooling you realistically need to build an app keeps on growing. In theory I only need gcc, vim and a bunch of header files to write the next Chrome as well.

pdimitar 8y ago

The goalpost is -- and always should be -- to build a working app without pretending you don't need a ton of dependencies. You do, unless you have a much bigger time budget than most of us. We can do only so much with a limited toolset. By your analogy, we should only be able to make a working app with `document.write()`. Let's be realistic. A pair of script tags is only theoretically possible and nobody is stopping at that.

acemarke 8y ago
I never made any claims about what other tools you _might_ need to build "real world"-ish apps. I'm only saying that you don't actually need anything else, including build setups, to be able to write working React code, because that's a common misunderstanding about React. Folks assume you _have_ to have Webpack and Babel to use it.
- vinnymac 8y ago
  Additionally if you find local development unpleasant you can always try remote development via something like https://codesandbox.io/ https://codesandbox.io/ which will setup a project with everything you need.
- xg15 8y ago
  Technically true, but that point isn't really meaningful if the amount of tooling you realistically need to build an app keeps on growing. In theory I only need gcc, vim and a bunch of header files to write the next Chrome as well.