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I’m taking about Matrix Metering, Center-weighted or Spot Metering. I deal with photographers in their 50s/60s weakly. They all love their phones and hate the

I’m taking about Matrix Metering, Center-weighted or Spot Metering. I deal with photographers in their 50s/60s weakly. They all love their phones and hate the menu screen on their Canon/Nikon/Sony. You set it up the way you like it and hope to never need to touch it again. Time how long it takes you to find and change the Exif copywrite on your photos, daylight saving, or how to save JPGs in one card and RAWs in another. It’s a nightmare.

Eiriksmal 8y ago
http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/images/80d/810_9029-top.jpg http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/images/80d/810_9029-top.jpg https://www.ephotozine.com/articles/canon-eos-1d-x-mark-ii-vs-1d-x-vs-nikon-d5-comparison-28795/images/highres-nikon-d5-top-recropped_1454493020.jpg https://www.ephotozine.com/articles/canon-eos-1d-x-mark-ii-v... This might blow your mind, but professionally-oriented cameras all have dedicated buttons to toggle metering modes without looking away from the viewfinder.
- StavrosK 8y ago
  The 5D has twice the functions on the button, even, since pressing the button and scrolling one wheel does one thing, and the other another. It's very handy. In comparison, I was trying to set bracketed exposure on my RX100 yesterday, and I still haven't managed to find the feature.
- tambourine_man 8y ago
  You should drop the condescending tone toward people who have more years of experience photographing professionally than you have of age. I can operate my Nikons blind folded and single handed. Canons are not my cup of tea, but I can get by if needed to. Sonys, on the other hand, have amazing sensors and great glass, yet bury such important features under menus requiring pressing the Fn button while staring at the LCD, or something like it.
  - frankchn 8y ago
    > I can operate my Nikons blind folded and single handed. What's the issue, then? The Nikon shooting interface obviously works well for you, and I think that is far more important and used than changing daylight savings settings. > Time how long it takes you to find and change the Exif copywrite on your photos, daylight saving, or how to save JPGs in one card and RAWs in another. It’s a nightmare. I don't know enough about Nikon or Sony, but I use Canon and I know where all those settings are. Even if you want to search the web to find where they are, I don't think it is a big deal: most of those settings you listed I change once or twice a year. In any case, I think it is better than the settings app on my iPhone, where the General sub-menu contains everything from controlling Background App Refresh (Why not in individual app sub-menus?) to enabling iTunes Wi-Fi Sync (there is an iTunes and App Store sub-menu too).
    - tambourine_man 8y ago
      As I said elsewhere in this thread, better Menu UI would be a side benefit. I’m craving for fast processor and powerful software on the back of a big sensor and glass.
      - frankchn 8y ago
        What do you want the fast processor and powerful software to do, though? For instance, I can't imagine trying to cram the Lightroom UI into a 4" screen on the back of my camera is a good experience, especially when I have a 30" 4K screen at home to edit on. To me, the current Lightroom for iOS is nowhere near as usable as the desktop version, and still quite a bit slower.
        tambourine_man 8y ago
        >What do you want the fast processor and powerful software to do? What they already do in smartphones, but better. Almost guarantee you’ll never miss a shot (no blinks, blur, bad exposure), better signal processing, etc > I can't imagine trying to cram the Lightroom UI into a 4" screen Me neither. I’m not proposing that in the slightest
FireBeyond 8y ago
I'm trying to figure out the subset of people who are saving RAWs but relying on the camera's EXIF data, when Lightroom et al are perfectly capable of setting all the metadata right there. Get into the enthusiast / prosumer models and there's more buttons for a reason. I want to change metering on my 5D4? I press the metering hard button on the top of the camera.
StavrosK 8y ago
On the 5D, press the metering button and turn the knob. About the rest, I've never timed it because I've never needed to do it. Lightroom does most for me, and even the card thing would be roughly a one-time thing. I don't know what a comparison between a 6" touch display on a phone and a 2" non-touch display on a camera is supposed to show, but the camera menu isn't that hard: press menu, scroll to the appropriate section, select menu item and change what you need. It's pretty much the same on phones as well.
arghwhat 8y ago
On the other hand, all you can control on an iPhone with the stock app is spot metering following the focus point. The reason people dislike menus is that there's a lot of things to control. It's nice without it, right until you need to tweak something.

Eiriksmal 8y ago

http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/images/80d/810_9029-top.jpg http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/images/80d/810_9029-top.jpg https://www.ephotozine.com/articles/canon-eos-1d-x-mark-ii-vs-1d-x-vs-nikon-d5-comparison-28795/images/highres-nikon-d5-top-recropped_1454493020.jpg https://www.ephotozine.com/articles/canon-eos-1d-x-mark-ii-v... This might blow your mind, but professionally-oriented cameras all have dedicated buttons to toggle metering modes without looking away from the viewfinder.

StavrosK 8y ago
The 5D has twice the functions on the button, even, since pressing the button and scrolling one wheel does one thing, and the other another. It's very handy. In comparison, I was trying to set bracketed exposure on my RX100 yesterday, and I still haven't managed to find the feature.
tambourine_man 8y ago
You should drop the condescending tone toward people who have more years of experience photographing professionally than you have of age. I can operate my Nikons blind folded and single handed. Canons are not my cup of tea, but I can get by if needed to. Sonys, on the other hand, have amazing sensors and great glass, yet bury such important features under menus requiring pressing the Fn button while staring at the LCD, or something like it.
- frankchn 8y ago
  > I can operate my Nikons blind folded and single handed. What's the issue, then? The Nikon shooting interface obviously works well for you, and I think that is far more important and used than changing daylight savings settings. > Time how long it takes you to find and change the Exif copywrite on your photos, daylight saving, or how to save JPGs in one card and RAWs in another. It’s a nightmare. I don't know enough about Nikon or Sony, but I use Canon and I know where all those settings are. Even if you want to search the web to find where they are, I don't think it is a big deal: most of those settings you listed I change once or twice a year. In any case, I think it is better than the settings app on my iPhone, where the General sub-menu contains everything from controlling Background App Refresh (Why not in individual app sub-menus?) to enabling iTunes Wi-Fi Sync (there is an iTunes and App Store sub-menu too).
  - tambourine_man 8y ago
    As I said elsewhere in this thread, better Menu UI would be a side benefit. I’m craving for fast processor and powerful software on the back of a big sensor and glass.
    - frankchn 8y ago
      What do you want the fast processor and powerful software to do, though? For instance, I can't imagine trying to cram the Lightroom UI into a 4" screen on the back of my camera is a good experience, especially when I have a 30" 4K screen at home to edit on. To me, the current Lightroom for iOS is nowhere near as usable as the desktop version, and still quite a bit slower.
      - tambourine_man 8y ago
        >What do you want the fast processor and powerful software to do? What they already do in smartphones, but better. Almost guarantee you’ll never miss a shot (no blinks, blur, bad exposure), better signal processing, etc > I can't imagine trying to cram the Lightroom UI into a 4" screen Me neither. I’m not proposing that in the slightest

FireBeyond 8y ago

I'm trying to figure out the subset of people who are saving RAWs but relying on the camera's EXIF data, when Lightroom et al are perfectly capable of setting all the metadata right there. Get into the enthusiast / prosumer models and there's more buttons for a reason. I want to change metering on my 5D4? I press the metering hard button on the top of the camera.

StavrosK 8y ago

On the 5D, press the metering button and turn the knob. About the rest, I've never timed it because I've never needed to do it. Lightroom does most for me, and even the card thing would be roughly a one-time thing. I don't know what a comparison between a 6" touch display on a phone and a 2" non-touch display on a camera is supposed to show, but the camera menu isn't that hard: press menu, scroll to the appropriate section, select menu item and change what you need. It's pretty much the same on phones as well.

arghwhat 8y ago

On the other hand, all you can control on an iPhone with the stock app is spot metering following the focus point. The reason people dislike menus is that there's a lot of things to control. It's nice without it, right until you need to tweak something.