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If they cared about intelligence they would just give IQ tests.
by akvadrako 8y ago
If they cared about intelligence they would just give IQ tests.
- fucking_tragedy 8y agoWhich is illegal to do, hence proxy IQ tests.
- bradleyjg 8y agoIt is not illegal. Here’s Griggs v. Duke Power Co., 401 U.S. 424 (1971) https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/401/424/#tab-opinion-1949187 https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/401/424/#tab-opi.... Go read it and see for yourself what it says.
- Izkata 8y agoRight at the top of that link: > Testing or measuring procedures cannot be determinative in employment decisions unless they have some connection to the job. IQ tests are not directly related to the job, and so are illegal according to that ruling. Coding tests are directly related, which is why they get a pass.
- bradleyjg 8y agoYou didn’t read the opinion and you added the word “directly” to the summary. Do you scan source code and draw firm conclusions about what it does based on skim reading the first comment you see? Perhaps my old contracts prof could have a second career as a google interviewer. (He was notorious for cold calling people that hadn’t briefed their cases and eating them alive.)
- Izkata 8y agoThe purpose of the "Primary Holding" section is to summarize the result, so that you don't have to dig through the whole thing.
- austincheney 8y agoIQ tests are a form of convergent preferential bias and they don’t test for abstraction or creativity which is more than half the definition of intelligence.
- toasterlovin 8y agoWhat is convergent preferential bias?
- austincheney 8y agoIt means a bias of coming together toward a tester's preferences. Do people excel on the few narrow performance meausures you find most correlated with intelligence? There are divergent aptitude tests measure quantity and diversity of answers to a given question opposed to the one desired answer. Divergent tests are rarely performed, but at a stronger measure of creativity and problem solving which is typically what people actually want when they say intelligence. The reason why convergent testing is preferred over divergent test is because it is easier to measure and those simplified measures are easier to compare.
- lliamander 8y agoCan you provide a link for divergent aptitude tests? I'm afraid my search results all have to do with some young-adult fiction novel (called Divergent). How much do such tests correlate with things like (for example) creative achievement?
- lliamander 8y agoThey don't test for creativity (though seeing a correlation between IQ and creativity would be interesting) but they almost certainly test the ability to deal with abstractions. That's pretty much what an I test is! What reason do you have for thinking otherwise?
- austincheney 8y agoThey test for puzzles that appear as visual shape complexities which require use of the visual cortex. That is something a person might refer to as a visual abstraction. That isn't a practical abstraction, such as requiring a person to form an answer from the absent of acceptable criteria (to abstract or form something new to solve a problem).