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They have kids. Developing a sentient being is a higher priority and more difficult than developing React Redux.

by sunir 8y ago

whatshisface 8y ago
Wouldn't that just be another expression of age demographics?
- jgamman 8y ago
  some people have kids in their 20s (gasp!)
wolfgke 8y ago
> They have kids. Developing a sentient being is a higher priority and more difficult than developing React Redux. This is like saying: "I have a time-intense hobby that I prefer over working too much for you.".
- nine_k 8y ago
  Rather: I work for you to finance the really important things in my life. You work to live, not the other way around.
  - wolfgke 8y ago
    > Rather: I work for you to finance the really important things in my life. > You work to live, not the other way around. At least if you work in (academic) research, working to live simply does not work [pun intended]. The things that you work on in this area are the really important things in life.
- drugme 8y ago
  No, it's called having a life and a sense of proportion. The sooner tech companies learn to embrace and work with this very basic fact, the better.
  - wolfgke 8y ago
    > No, it's called having a life and a sense of proportion. Perhaps I don't grasp some subtle cultural reference of "sense of proportion" since I am no native speaker of English. But I clearly find it much more exciting to work on projects with the chance to change the world than what you call in German derogatorily "Biedermeierei" (for Biedermeier: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biedermeier&oldid=877725672; https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biedermeier&oldid... the ending "-rei" in this case denigrate the term "Biedermeier"). The following section in the German Wikipedia explains this much better than the article in the English Wikipedia: > https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biedermeier&oldid=184580973#Leben_und_Kultur https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biedermeier&oldid...
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  - chcknsammich 8y ago
    So the sooner they abandon all of their own priorities and instead adopt only yours, the better?
    - yjftsjthsd-h 8y ago
      Rather than the reverse? Yes.
    - drugme 8y ago
      Let's put it this way: "Sure, I'll consider abandoning all priorities (i.e. social life) and/or putting off others (kids) -- and maybe even take minor risks on my health -- if you you're able to appropriate compensation." Guess what, though? In the vast majority of cases -- even when we're talking about the bulge-bracket FAANG salaries occasionally gloated about in these and other parts -- simply don't come anywhere close enough to providing that level of compensation. All of their pretensions to the contrary.
- arrrg 8y ago
  I can see this sentence being an interesting Rorschach test. Either you think it’s quite sensible or utterly absurd. My own brain was even flip-flopping around for a bit before coming down on the utterly absurd side. I think the maybe reasonable counter-argument against your sentence would be that while you personally do not have to value something like raising kids above your work, others very well might and do and there is nothing absurd or weird about that. Your framing betrays a certain kind of worldview where “work” is real and everything else is a mere hobby, a worldview that might be valid for certain people but is certainly not universal.
  - whatshisface 8y ago
    If work is everything, shouldn't we set aside some time to raise the next generation of workers? Working all the time is so defeating it even defeats the amount of work being done 30 years from now.
    - wolfgke 8y ago
      > If work is everything, shouldn't we set aside some time to raise the next generation of workers? I don't think work per se is everything. But working on world-changing things is. At least concerning the situation in Germany, where there is compulsary school with a compulsary curriculum (vulgo: 18-19 years of brainwashing), I am working a lot time in the evening on an alternative curriculum (currently focusing on computer science topics since this is something I am hopefully knowledgable about) that enables people to deprogram themselves from this kind of brainwashing to enable them to develop their intellectual potential so that they can begin to work on world-changing things. A lot of highly gifted people already asked me multiple times when they can finally read the first text of my planned series (they are really eager for it) - unluckily there is still so much to do even on the first text. So the first thing that we should solve is to prepare a curriculum that does not completely brainwash our children. Only when this problem is solved, we can begin to think about how we can set aside some time for them.
      - 420codebro 8y ago
- smadge 8y ago
  A person can choose to spend less time on a hobby at any point, but once a child is born their parents have an ethical obligation to their children.
  - wolfgke 8y ago
    > but once a child is born their parents have an ethical obligation to their children. Indeed - and that is why you should be very cautious to give birth to children; in particular if you have career plans.
    - jschwartzi 8y ago
      No, this is the wrong way to think about it and it has destroyed our generation by its proliferation. You should give birth to children and have enough balance between your work and your life to raise them and still grow in your career. You should never have to choose one or the other. This false dichotomy cuts to the heart of a lot of gender and racial diversity issues that plague the workplace in the US.
    - 420codebro 8y ago
      I guess we can all import a bunch of skill-challenged worker from elsewhere then, right? /s Btw I loathe everything to ever come from Germany. You have ruined so many things.

They have kids. Developing a sentient being is a higher priority and more difficult than developing React Redux.

by sunir 8y ago

They have kids. Developing a sentient being is a higher priority and more difficult than developing React Redux.

whatshisface 8y ago

Wouldn't that just be another expression of age demographics?

jgamman 8y ago
some people have kids in their 20s (gasp!)

wolfgke 8y ago

> They have kids. Developing a sentient being is a higher priority and more difficult than developing React Redux. This is like saying: "I have a time-intense hobby that I prefer over working too much for you.".

nine_k 8y ago
Rather: I work for you to finance the really important things in my life. You work to live, not the other way around.
- wolfgke 8y ago
  > Rather: I work for you to finance the really important things in my life. > You work to live, not the other way around. At least if you work in (academic) research, working to live simply does not work [pun intended]. The things that you work on in this area are the really important things in life.
drugme 8y ago
No, it's called having a life and a sense of proportion. The sooner tech companies learn to embrace and work with this very basic fact, the better.
- wolfgke 8y ago
  > No, it's called having a life and a sense of proportion. Perhaps I don't grasp some subtle cultural reference of "sense of proportion" since I am no native speaker of English. But I clearly find it much more exciting to work on projects with the chance to change the world than what you call in German derogatorily "Biedermeierei" (for Biedermeier: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biedermeier&oldid=877725672; https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biedermeier&oldid... the ending "-rei" in this case denigrate the term "Biedermeier"). The following section in the German Wikipedia explains this much better than the article in the English Wikipedia: > https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biedermeier&oldid=184580973#Leben_und_Kultur https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biedermeier&oldid...
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- chcknsammich 8y ago
  So the sooner they abandon all of their own priorities and instead adopt only yours, the better?
  - yjftsjthsd-h 8y ago
    Rather than the reverse? Yes.
  - drugme 8y ago
    Let's put it this way: "Sure, I'll consider abandoning all priorities (i.e. social life) and/or putting off others (kids) -- and maybe even take minor risks on my health -- if you you're able to appropriate compensation." Guess what, though? In the vast majority of cases -- even when we're talking about the bulge-bracket FAANG salaries occasionally gloated about in these and other parts -- simply don't come anywhere close enough to providing that level of compensation. All of their pretensions to the contrary.
arrrg 8y ago
I can see this sentence being an interesting Rorschach test. Either you think it’s quite sensible or utterly absurd. My own brain was even flip-flopping around for a bit before coming down on the utterly absurd side. I think the maybe reasonable counter-argument against your sentence would be that while you personally do not have to value something like raising kids above your work, others very well might and do and there is nothing absurd or weird about that. Your framing betrays a certain kind of worldview where “work” is real and everything else is a mere hobby, a worldview that might be valid for certain people but is certainly not universal.
- whatshisface 8y ago
  If work is everything, shouldn't we set aside some time to raise the next generation of workers? Working all the time is so defeating it even defeats the amount of work being done 30 years from now.
  - wolfgke 8y ago
    > If work is everything, shouldn't we set aside some time to raise the next generation of workers? I don't think work per se is everything. But working on world-changing things is. At least concerning the situation in Germany, where there is compulsary school with a compulsary curriculum (vulgo: 18-19 years of brainwashing), I am working a lot time in the evening on an alternative curriculum (currently focusing on computer science topics since this is something I am hopefully knowledgable about) that enables people to deprogram themselves from this kind of brainwashing to enable them to develop their intellectual potential so that they can begin to work on world-changing things. A lot of highly gifted people already asked me multiple times when they can finally read the first text of my planned series (they are really eager for it) - unluckily there is still so much to do even on the first text. So the first thing that we should solve is to prepare a curriculum that does not completely brainwash our children. Only when this problem is solved, we can begin to think about how we can set aside some time for them.
    - 420codebro 8y ago
smadge 8y ago
A person can choose to spend less time on a hobby at any point, but once a child is born their parents have an ethical obligation to their children.
- wolfgke 8y ago
  > but once a child is born their parents have an ethical obligation to their children. Indeed - and that is why you should be very cautious to give birth to children; in particular if you have career plans.
  - jschwartzi 8y ago
    No, this is the wrong way to think about it and it has destroyed our generation by its proliferation. You should give birth to children and have enough balance between your work and your life to raise them and still grow in your career. You should never have to choose one or the other. This false dichotomy cuts to the heart of a lot of gender and racial diversity issues that plague the workplace in the US.
  - 420codebro 8y ago
    I guess we can all import a bunch of skill-challenged worker from elsewhere then, right? /s Btw I loathe everything to ever come from Germany. You have ruined so many things.